American Politics Discussion Thread

[superdeath]

It is the woman's choice to kill the other human life inside her body. I believe traditional Rabbinic law lays it out as justified homicide, which is a much saner way of viewing it.

At what point do you call it human life?

Again, Her Body, Her Choice. Having a kid when you cant afford one/cant take care of one is one of the worst things you can do in life. Pregnancy comes with its own set of risks/changes to the woman and not everyone wants that.

[Charr Babies]

You prioritize blame in an obviously bias fashion. You ignore facts like past history, statements, and policy and you ignore likely future policy.

What? You want to blame it on the birth of this nation, or prosecute thought crime for something that might happen in the future? 

If you are in charge, you take the credits, and you take the blames. You are totally unqualify when you can't take responsibilities of your actions, as we have seen with biden and his, to be any form of a leader. You are responsible for genocide, not the people who voted for you, not the people who might have done the same. To excuse and promote such behavior makes one morally corrupt. That's why we are in this shit show...

[Mjmd]

So lets assume that the person who has "Free Tibet whatever the fuck that is" as part of their signature ACTUALLY cares about Palestinian genocide and isn't just cherry picking one issue that actually stands up even if ignoring literally everything else around that issue and the consequences. Or to be less personal lets assume any person just cares about accountability and ignores past history and likely consequences. After all chance for some kind of accountability is one of my pillars of Democracy, so fair enough. The reason to vote for accountability of overturning an election over literally any other issue or accountability is quite simple logic. If you don't hold up the pillar of Democracy that is the transfer of power with the pillar of accountability there is a pretty good chance you lose both. So sure congrats you have gotten some kind of accountability for the current problem. BUT you've lost that chance for every future issue AND gotten rid of the pressure of accountability. Its very simple logic.

[Charr Babies]

So lets assume that the person who has "Free Tibet whatever the fuck that is" as part of their signature ACTUALLY cares about Palestinian genocide and isn't just cherry picking one issue that actually stands up even if ignoring literally everything else around that issue and the consequences. Or to be less personal lets assume any person just cares about accountability and ignores past history and likely consequences. After all chance for some kind of accountability is one of my pillars of Democracy, so fair enough. The reason to vote for accountability of overturning an election over literally any other issue or accountability is quite simple logic. If you don't hold up the pillar of Democracy that is the transfer of power with the pillar of accountability there is a pretty good chance you lose both. So sure congrats you have gotten some kind of accountability for the current problem. BUT you've lost that chance for every future issue AND gotten rid of the pressure of accountability. Its very simple logic.

That is simply (SICK but) awesome how you justify genocide in one simple mindless sentence. 

Don't know why you keep bringing up your failed democracy as if. Really laughable but sad that you claim to value accountability but excuses genocide. 

Is trump convicted for overturning an election? No.
Every empire begins with a challenge to the existing government. This nation was won overthrowing the British. If Trump is guilty of overturning the election and succeeded, you would celebrate him as the new hero king. Besides, are we not the ones who overthrows governments the world over, non stop.

[Mjmd]

I'm NOT justifying genocide. I've never argued our Democracy is perfect (its far from), but we still have it. If we don't have Democracy can we get accountability for this or any future issues (including Genocide)? NO, no you can't.

I also maintain voting for the person who said he would let Israel "Finish the job" should probably be a factor in this issue. My above logic still holds, but I really do think just ignoring this is blindly bias. Like what will you do IF (and I admit its an IF even its if a strongly likely IF based on Republican / Trump policy and current language used) the genocide gets worse under Trump? Will you be able to get accountability then? NO. Shockingly autocrats aren't held to account very often for anything. Again, if you can't hold them accountable for trying to overturn an election, you will lose BOTH. Not just for the current issues, but for future ones as well.

[Charr Babies]

Like what will you do IF (and I admit its an IF even its if a strongly likely IF based on Republican / Trump policy and current language used) the genocide gets worse under Trump?

Yes, please show us your funky math again.

Will you be able to get accountability then? NO. Shockingly autocrats aren't held to account very often for anything.

Never mind ifs, we are not getting accountability now. A little critical thinking goes a long way.

[Mjmd]

I mean its not that hard of a thought process? Heh which party is MORE pro Israel. Which party invited Netanyahu to speak. Which candidate has criticized actions taken to slow down bomb deliveries or to ensure humanitarian aid. Which candidate says they will let Israel "finish the job" or that we should "deport pro Palestine protestors". You can choose to ignore all this and just focus on accountability. You can. It is however NOT logical. Emotional maybe; although again I suspect its more cherry picking and then ignoring everything else to get to your desired result.

Can we get accountability in the future? Is 1 instance of accountability more important than ALL future accountability? This is the question I would like you to answer directly. Just yes or no.

[Charr Babies]

I mean its not that hard of a thought process? Heh which party is MORE pro Israel. Which party invited Netanyahu to speak. Which candidate has criticized actions taken to slow down bomb deliveries or to ensure humanitarian aid. Which candidate says they will let Israel "finish the job" or that we should "deport pro Palestine protestors". You can choose to ignore all this and just focus on accountability. You can. It is however NOT logical. Emotional maybe; although again I suspect its more cherry picking and then ignoring everything else to get to your desired result.

Can we get accountability in the future? Is 1 instance of accountability more important than ALL future accountability? This is the question I would like you to answer directly. Just yes or no.

Never mind what if. What about accountability for the genocide now. 

Lets assume your funky math is correct. Just because someone might, does not mean it is ok for someone else to commit the crime.

Pardon me while a pull a Mjmd, that's a tu quoque logical fallacy. Never mind what ifs. What about accountability for the genocide now.

Yes, I realize you have donated blood at the red cross, but, you can't say the judge is cherry picking when he convict you for murder.  A little critical thinking, please.

[Mjmd]

Voting is about choosing the lesser of evils. If you believe there is a VERY strong chance for it to get worse don't vote for that. If you believe you will never get a chance to vote on the lesser of evils again vote accordingly. If you believe you won't have the chance to hold accountability again, then you vote to keep being able to do that. THAT is critical thinking. If you are being honest (which again I doubt) I get the impulse to emotionally want that accountability NOW. However, it ignores the likely consequences. Those that are dead will stay dead, but what of the living? You say I don't care about life, but then you ignore the likely consequences? You ignore that future accountability may be impossible?

[Charr Babies]

Those that are dead will stay dead, but what of the living? You say I don't care about life, but then you ignore the likely consequences? You ignore that future accountability may be impossible?

Skip a bunch of mumble Jumbo double talk. 

LoL, the dead stays dead. Let bygones be bygones   I wish you can hear yourself talk. 
Yes, about the living. Trump might be as bad on Gaza, but there is a good chance he would end the war in Ukraine, before the "last Ukrainian soldier falls" (as biden is so proud to exclaim) 

Never mind accountability in the future, what about accountability now? If the current regime has no accountability, voting for the same regime means no accountability in the future. How can such simple logic escape you!? 

The dead will stay dead, OMFG!