American Politics Discussion Thread

[Charr Babies]

(Whose bright idea was it to outsource F-35 production to Germany? Probably the same person who had parts for it made in China. Idiotic)

Probably the same bunch of idiot who runs NASA. There is no shortage of idiots in high office here. 



Even Pink Floyd knows there is no such thing as the dark side of the moon.

[superdeath]

Even if it was the case that "we dictate every nation in the world to follow our rules"

If you dictate how every nation rules that would make you a dictator

What rules of ours (lol) are so bad that that would be a bad thing?

Exactly what a dictator would say.

The rest of your post is the same garbage not worth the electrons.

its ok, i know you dont know how to respond to facts. More trolling please.

[superdeath]

The idea of courting Russia for an alliance is no crazier than Democrats hoping to get a lasting peace deal and more with Iran, a country well known for it's popular slogan, "Death to America". It is based on the idea that nation states frequently act in accordance to a set of understandable interests. If Iran can do so, why not Russia?

(Whose bright idea was it to outsource F-35 production to Germany? Probably the same person who had parts for it made in China. Idiotic)

Here's a bright idea, the vast majority of americans do not want a diplomatic relationship with either country.

[MJW (ya that one)]

   

Polling and early voting makes me shift the race from tilt d to tilt r; making this map. 

Despite Harris losing ground, I've bumped up NE-02 to likely as this district seems annoyed at GOP for trying to switch to winner-take-all for NE.  

In spite of Robinson's implosion NC should still vote to the right of PA/WI. This makes NV not needed.

[superdeath]

sucks that Iowa used to be a swing state, now its been drifting towards republican. Need more swing states.

[Charr Babies]

Even if it was the case that "we dictate every nation in the world to follow our rules"

If you dictate how every nation rules that would make you a dictator

What rules of ours (lol) are so bad that that would be a bad thing?

Exactly what a dictator would say.

The rest of your post is the same garbage not worth the electrons.

its ok, i know you dont know how to respond to facts. More trolling please.

Since you insist on hearing this over and over again.
This guy has only managed to name a few of the atrocities of human suffering we have inflicted around the world. An appetizer then

[Mjmd]

Detente, flipping an entire alliance structure on its head, same difference.

So for military procurement even for a country like the US that spends gobs of money on its military it can still make sense to go in with countries on weapon systems (and it makes even more sense for smaller militaries). There are actually I believe 19 countries involved in the supply chain. 1) Jet fighters specifically are really bloody expensive R&D projects. 2) You get access to more technical know how. India has been trying to get a locally produced jet going for 20 years and is still having to outsource the engine. 3) You then have guaranteed customers. The more you produce the more manufacturing scale you get and the more you get to spread out that R&D cost over more frames.

[BING_XI_LAO]

I mean to me Russia is pretty obviously expansionist. You've admitted at least to some of their ambitions. You also seem to be forgetting places like Chechnya and Georgia. Should we ignore statements by Dmitry Medvedev who is Putins pawn about how the Baltics belong to Russia? Would you like me to go back and find articles that sound suspiciously similar to what you write about how Austria is vital to Germany? There were plenty of people who legitimately thought Germany would stop.

I love how Chechnya, inside Russia's borders, counts as "expansionism" meanwhile you support US occupation of China's territory in Taiwan Province, the other side of the Pacific Ocean, which for some reason isn't dangerous, Hitlerian expansionism.

As for Georgia, it is really stupid to claim that all soviet internal borders are suitable as national borders. North Ossetia was already inside Russia, why shouldn't Abkhazia and South Ossetia join Russia too? Do you have some reason to think that Abkhaz and Ossetians wanted to be inside Georgia?

What if the Georgians, with a nationalist agenda to conquer those rebellious territories were like.... Hitler????

Please stop the ad hominems, do you want me to go back through all the flubs you've made during this argument? You can't call me historically illiterate and then not know people were saying the same things about Germany expansion that you are saying right now.

Every state including the US was created by conquest. There are thousands of years of history like that. But apparently we must judge everything as like Hitler. Or like appeasing Hitler. Or confronting Hitler.

In which case, it's the US which is Hitler.

You can even find plenty of sonnenrads and lightning bolts in the army of its Ukrainian vassal state.

[BING_XI_LAO]

As for the Baltic states, the reason they should be wiped off the map is because they have chosen to side with an aggressive, terroristic foreign alliance which blows up Baltic infrastucture. Those states also discriminate against their Belarusian and Russian citizens.

Morality requires that Russia should take a hard line instead of appeasing their Hitlerian aggression and racism.

[Amicalola]

To think I thought this thread was bad back in 2020... At least T-Hawk was an intelligent psychopath, rather than a vitriolic troll.


For what it's worth, certainly Australians are hoping for a Kamala victory. Even where I live now, which is a right-wing stronghold, Trump is viewed as obviously the worse option in most regards. Which is an extraordinary feat for him to meet in this particularly bigoted area of a broadly bigoted country.