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{SPOILERS} 2metra, Dreylin & OT4E. This is the beginning of a wonderful friendship.

Quick question; we're going to roll this turn, should we be starting to observe a turn split and play after AI/REM going forward? This has been our usual position in the turn order.

If we're observing a split anyway, perhaps we should do so with dtay as well to make our intentions less clear...
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We need to be 2nd, so we just dont need to join too early.
I am not sure that we are to follow any order since it decides nothing except the turn phase though.
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Yeah, so plako closed borders this turn. Do we want to trade maps to get them back, or just try to walk around him?

Preparations going well; and our WB is passing AI/REM again - Southern city is empty, mainland city has 1 Archer in it only. We either want to send this WB NE to get around AI/REM before the borders close, or we send it along the South of the island to survey / return home for use. I think the latter is better.
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My idea was to spy with it, but we cant show that we are spying. So it must look like we are returning or going north. Choose what will look more realistic.
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I was thinking that we should send it NE to explore more of AI/REM's land, however we know that he has Galleys in the water and I think if we did that we'd lose the WB. We have one past him already though, so I think the best thing is to bring it back along the South of the Island and then we can use it at Rhodes.

I rolled the turn last night and then logged out without playing the new turn, which is suspicious (at least I find it so when others do it). The same could well happen at the end of the current turn, which would be even more suspicious. It would be good if you could log in for a while so it looks more like we're collaborating and less like we're observing a turn split.

Since AI/REM (and dtay) have both played, you could go ahead with the turn which would then probably roll this afternoon (my time); dtay & AI/REM are pretty prompt players, so by the time my play window arrive it will probably be natural for me to play.

Also, I don't understand this map trading diplo that's going on - particularly with plako closing borders when we wouldn't trade him our maps. Personally, I'd be more comfortable with someone who refuses to trade maps having knowledge of my terrain than someone who will trade maps to anyone. After all, if I'll trade maps with you, I'll probably then trade it to your neighbour as well! I'd happily trade with plako as long as he doesn't trade with dtay or Commodore, but there's no way to say that with the uber-restrictive diplo rules - which is why I don't understand people being willing to trade maps in the first place. rant

<sigh> well I'll put a pin in that and save it for the post-game discussion.
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This is not big deal that Plako closed borders. We will have nice trade routes with our islands soon and dont really need foreign trade routes for some time. I can say that I would also close borders if find someone trying to reveal my land without having profit from this to myself. So he acts logical, but I dont have big desire to trade maps with everyone now. Seems, that they all screwed early explorations and are trying to catch ups and find a fool who trades them anything else they dont see.

About being too suspicious I am currently thinking that you are overestimating this factor. In fact it looks much more strange when every person from the team enters the game than if you just dont want to do 2 turns in a row before going to bed.

About WB, yes return it please, no point it suiciding it.
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Do we need someone to play our turn or it is played and just not hit EOT?
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It has not been played. And I might not get to it before the timer runs out.

If you can play, that'd be great; otherwise I'll request a pause.
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I'll play it.
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Turn played. I stayed in the turn some time switching tiles around and finishing our fur camp to not look like we are observing a turn split. REM's WB is moving north and might mess with our galleys in 1-2 turns. I had read the sign "move NE" and had moved our WB in there, but I believe we still have time to turn it back.
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