American Politics Discussion Thread

[Mjmd]

How many dems start posts here though? Its like 60% you, 10% Boro, 10% Greenline 5% Bing bringing something up from a month ago, and then 15% other people. I could have posted about Trumps picks (I did ask Greenline in an existing conversation about Gaetz, but it was a curiosity question rather than critique and he provided a good answer). I could post about the pressure campaigns on any Republican senators speaking out against his picks. I could point out the conflicts of interest and corruption already occurring. I could have posted about Trump threatening his opponents again. Did I or anyone else on not the Trump train?

For the record I NEVER said pardoning his son was the only bad thing he did.

For the nth time I've never defended Genocide. Pre-election saying I don't want a worse genocide isn't defending it. It wasn't false dilemma. You've accused me of this but never proven that it was.

I love your new signature just points out your hypocrisy even more with every post. I can tell you just want last word again. Have it, but know that signature still being there just proves you don't give a shit.

[Charr Babies]

How many dems start posts here though? Its like 60% you, 10% Boro, 10% Greenline 5% Bing bringing something up from a month ago, and then 15% other people. I could have posted about Trumps picks (I did ask Greenline in an existing conversation about Gaetz, but it was a curiosity question rather than critique and he provided a good answer). I could post about the pressure campaigns on any Republican senators speaking out against his picks. I could point out the conflicts of interest and corruption already occurring. I could have posted about Trump threatening his opponents again. Did I or anyone else on not the Trump train?

 
Wrong answer. Red Herring again. Who here posts EVERY criticism there can be?

For the record I NEVER said pardoning his son was the only bad thing he did.

You did. you didn't deny it when I called you on that. You are going to have to scroll back and find it yourself in all these pages you try to defend biden. 

For the nth time I've never defended Genocide. Pre-election saying I don't want a worse genocide isn't defending it. It wasn't false dilemma. You've accused me of this but never proven that it was.

Using Whataboutism to deflects criticism of one person by pointing out the faults of another, rather than addressing the original issue, and Appeal to Hypocrisy to argues that because one person did something wrong, it excuses or diminishes the wrongdoing of another, IS a weak disguise of defense. You are not fooling anyone.

I love your new signature just points out your hypocrisy even more with every post.

Oh? Reminding people of genocide is hypocrisy? Do tell. You would love to sweep it under the carpet, wouldn't you?
Anyways thanks for the compliment. It mean a lot that you like it. I had to give up a gif to use the butcher gif. 

I can tell you just want last word again. Have it, but know that signature still being there just proves you don't give a shit.

I don't need the last word. As soon as you stop trying to defend genocide using tu quoque and Whataboutism to make this a trump and Charr Babies thing, you can babble on for all I care. 

  I know you have to have the last word. So much so that you had to make a single "word" post just to have the last word.    Very mature!

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For the nth time I've never defended Genocide. Pre-election saying I don't want a worse genocide isn't defending it. It wasn't false dilemma. You've accused me of this but never proven that it was.

Using Whataboutism to deflects criticism of one person by pointing out the faults of another, rather than addressing the original issue, and Appeal to Hypocrisy to argues that because one person did something wrong, it excuses or diminishes the wrongdoing of another, IS a weak disguise of defense. You are not fooling anyone.

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Love how Charr doesnt bring up a single instance of you defending genocide in any sense outside of his schizophrenic mind.

With the amount of insults, either direct or indirect you throw at Mjmd and the rest.. and for the most part them not throwing any back... Kinda surprised if you havent been warned by a forum mod to tone down a bit. I do like reading this thread occasionally as it gives different points of view (especially back when T-hawk came in here often) and as such, i think it would do well to avoid calling names/attacking someones character/being an asshole. Im really really good at it. Id rather not have to be the one to give you the stern talking to that your parents didnt give you.

Now, if you wanted to get more on the straight and narrow. How about a general list of what policies and general ideology you prefer in a country?  What would you do if you ran X country? Whats your background/work? Lets get to know each other a little better.

For starters, and to show that im willing to do the same:

I am basically dead center when it comes to politics. Im Pro-gun, anti-religion, Pro-choice, Anti-..(how to put this).. the T in LGB (for sports/ect reasons. Perfectly fine to live how they wish to live along with everyone else.) Im not a nationalist. A flag means nothing to me, and im glad the national anthem is no longer a thing in schools. I believe that people have the right to choose whatever they wish, but when it comes to children i believe that forcing them to go to church/ect while they are in the phase of believing in anything they are told.. it feels bad. When they turn 18, if they wish to follow whatever god/religion go for it.

Schools should have their funding at MINIMUM doubled. Teach ABOUT religion but keep it out of the schools. Teach every part of history, even the parts and ESPECIALLY the parts that are ikky to think about. Its how we learn. I believe in term limits along with an age limit of 65 for congress/government officials.

There is also a nice list of foreign policy that id love.

How about you?

[Mjmd]

He does. Not wanting the genocide to be worse he claims is defending because he claims its deflecting (basically). OR it could be two things being true at the same time. This is why at various points I try to JUST SAY genocide bad or Biden bad so its crystal clear.

Do you really need to know more about him? Now he is going to talk for another 10 pages.

[Boro]

If there is any upshoot of the past page-and-a-half of crying, is that I'm appreciating you more mjmd.

Back on the ongoing topics, I absolutely agree that pardoning and getting away with wild things will get worse under trump. The Bidens' case, and the media's defense of it, - basically the controlled narrative switching from the "rule of law" message, to the "how it must be done because Trump will abuse the justice system to persecute his opponents" - will serve as a catalyst and an excuse to transition to this new, more "mask off" norm.

About the middle east I've already laid everything out, and none of the minutiae brought up since changed anything. I already knew of Trump's picks when I wrote it, and frankly that didn't change anything.

[Charr Babies]

Back on the ongoing topics. 

That isn't the topic. 
I started this thread in respond to your post in the other forum because you are too scared of this echo chamber.

Guess the rule of law thing was just election posturing?

For someone who claims he knows politics, why should that surprise you!? 

.. Kinda surprised if you havent been warned by a forum mod to tone down a bit.

  So says the guy who keeps saying fuck russia fuck china

I want peace on earth.

I do like reading this thread occasionally as it gives different points of view (especially back when T-hawk came in here often)

The same T-hawk you guys labeled psychopath? Because he doesn't always agree with this forum dem biases? 

He does. Not wanting the genocide to be worse he claims is defending because he claims its deflecting (basically). OR it could be two things being true at the same time. This is why at various points I try to JUST SAY genocide bad or Biden bad so its crystal clear.

I am sorry, I almost didn't hear you. Kinda echoey in here again.

Every time the genocide comes up you bring trump into it to deflects criticism by pointing out the faults of trump. That is whataboutism, a weak disguise of a defense.

I don't want it to be worse either but you wont hear me pointing out hitler is worse whenever someone point out that yahoo guy's genocide. Imagine someone yelling this in every stop-the-genocide rally. For a guy who like to fling those logical fallacy around, you are sure setting a bad example.

[greenline]

If there is any upshoot of the past page-and-a-half of crying, is that I'm appreciating you more mjmd.

Back on the ongoing topics, I absolutely agree that pardoning and getting away with wild things will get worse under trump. The Bidens' case, and the media's defense of it, - basically the controlled narrative switching from the "rule of law" message, to the "how it must be done because Trump will abuse the justice system to persecute his opponents" - will serve as a catalyst and an excuse to transition to this new, more "mask off" norm.

About the middle east I've already laid everything out, and none of the minutiae brought up since changed anything. I already knew of Trump's picks when I wrote it, and frankly that didn't change anything.

The back and forth pardoning is not what I expected to happen. Leading up to the assassination it seemed like the state was going to force Trump entirely against the wall and make him suffer after it made sure he lost. Instead, now both candidates can promise to throw the other party in jail and know that it will mean nothing because everyone will already be pre-pardoned. 

But that kind of system can't be stable forever; eventually one party will win bigly enough that they don't give a chance for the other guy to pardon their guys, or they just find a way to get around those pardons.

[Mjmd]

or it could be and hear my out Greenline. The justice department very slowly and dotting all its I's actually prosecuted crimes he committed? With tons of evidence to back it up. Its not like a large number of his crimes aren't public knowledge; people just don't care. It isn't "the state making him suffer". Its prosecuting crimes committed. I do have a feeling that line won't be present going forward. Unless it happens in the open any evidence against Trumps political opponents is going to be suspect. Next time a Democrat senator ends up with gold bars instead of people going "yaaaa he is guilty", people are going to go "I wonder if those gold bars were planted".

[T-hawk]

With the amount of insults, either direct or indirect you throw at Mjmd and the rest.. and for the most part them not throwing any back... Kinda surprised if you havent been warned by a forum mod to tone down a bit. I do like reading this thread occasionally as it gives different points of view (especially back when T-hawk came in here often) and as such, i think it would do well to avoid calling names/attacking someones character/being an asshole. Im really really good at it. Id rather not have to be the one to give you the stern talking to that your parents didnt give you.

Yeah, none of the moderators have wanted to shoot things down here, though we've discussed privately. Scooter, Sullla, and KoP all aren't interested in playing speech policeman here. Same for me and also because I'm sometimes a participant. We have enough confidence in readers to ignore any disagreeable opinions. I will remark that the last day of activity mostly just has me laughing at all the attempted insults and wildly talking past each other.

I am basically dead center when it comes to politics. Im Pro-gun, anti-religion, Pro-choice, Anti-..(how to put this).. the T in LGB (for sports/ect reasons. Perfectly fine to live how they wish to live along with everyone else.) Im not a nationalist. A flag means nothing to me, and im glad the national anthem is no longer a thing in schools. I believe that people have the right to choose whatever they wish, but when it comes to children i believe that forcing them to go to church/ect while they are in the phase of believing in anything they are told.. it feels bad. When they turn 18, if they wish to follow whatever god/religion go for it.

If you want some opinions from me related to those: I agree with you on the transgender point - biological men probably don't belong in women's sports - but I'm also clear that that's not any government business to enforce in either direction, it should be up to the leagues and the participants. Similar on abortion: anti-abortion but pro-choice, leave it up to the participants, abortion is bad but banning it is worse, and on a practical level skipping the ideological stuff, society really doesn't gain from forcing the birth of unwanted babies. I wish Republicans could realize that that issue only hurts them and stop stressing it, like Democrats pretty much did with gun rights.

I'm not a flag-waving nationalist - I support kneeling for the anthem if you think it's something you can't stand for - compulsory patriotism is the opposite of patriotism. I take pride in America not so much as the actual entity (which has become the swamp, every successful ecosystem attracts parasites), but the spirit and culture of it. American culture is the most successful in the history of the world. America values work, honesty, education, entrepreneurialism, individualism. The fruits of that labor are everything like the light bulb, computers, the moon landing - the vast majority of modern tech and prosperity came from America. There's a reason that America gave rise to Apple and Intel and Google and all those while other countries didn't.

I think this is what people speaking against immigration are really talking about. Why bring into American culture elements from places where the norm is not what made America great, but bribery and crime and violence and corruption and laziness? Remember Trump's "shithole countries" remark? Did you notice that all the pushback was "you can't say that", but nobody even tried to disagree that "those countries aren't shitholes"? This is why I really haven't been able to care about Israel's actions; what they're acting against is one of the most hateful societies on earth. Why do Democrats tend to support the Palestinians while Republicans support Israel? Well, which of those cultures is built on work and education and success, and which identifies with screaming victim and blaming everyone else for their problems?

As I've mentioned, I'm all for a strong merit-based immigration system. Take in the highly skilled, educated, honest, and hard workers, those are part of what made America great. Unskilled laborers or refugees don't help anything. The same people who complain about low wages and high housing prices are the same people calling for immigration that will compete for those wages and for that housing. I wish someone could propose this seriously at a national level, but the reality is that anything more complicated than "Build The Wall" won't fit into anyone's attention span.

[greenline]

or it could be and hear my out Greenline. The justice department very slowly and dotting all its I's actually prosecuted crimes he committed? With tons of evidence to back it up. Its not like a large number of his crimes aren't public knowledge; people just don't care. It isn't "the state making him suffer". Its prosecuting crimes committed. I do have a feeling that line won't be present going forward. Unless it happens in the open any evidence against Trumps political opponents is going to be suspect. Next time a Democrat senator ends up with gold bars instead of people going "yaaaa he is guilty", people are going to go "I wonder if those gold bars were planted".

The crime that Trump was arrested for was paying a guy to pay a porn star to not talk about how he had sex with a porn star while he was running for president. Financial "crimes" of this magnitude are typically misdemeanors (a similar incident was waived for the Biden campaign), but a very unsympathetic Manhattan jury bumped it up to felony charges using absurd reasoning. To me and many others, this looks like the justice department was not doing justice, but instead was bending its weight to sink a candidate that it did not like.

As I've mentioned, I'm all for a strong merit-based immigration system.  Take in the highly skilled, educated, honest, and hard workers, those are part of what made America great.  Unskilled laborers or refugees don't help anything.  The same people who complain about low wages and high housing prices are the same people calling for immigration that will compete for those wages and for that housing.  I wish someone could propose this seriously at a national level, but the reality is that anything more complicated than "Build The Wall" won't fit into anyone's attention span.

I don't believe this political divide exists anymore. One on side you now have a Democratic party that believes in absolutely unfettered immigration for both low skill and high skill immigrants. On the other side you have a Republican party that advertises deportations for immigrants of all skills, but in practice may be too neutered to accomplish any such things.