WW24: The Ashes of Brigdarrow: VILLAGE WINS

[Jkaen]

In fact, you can only be doing this to piss me off.

Now what was the syntax from last game...

Lock vote for Zakalwe

[Gazglum]

Sorry I haven't had time to check in tonight, but I skimmed this discussion. I Don't think it's very helpful, and seems pretty impossible anyway with the data we have available - we don't know any roles but our own and Novice's, and we don't know how many scum there are.

We need to focus on scum-hunting, there's only 20 hours left in the day. It helps scum to wind down the clock comparing Ts and Vs.

[zakalwe]

In fact, you can only be doing this to piss me off.

Now what was the syntax from last game...

Lock vote for Zakalwe

Right. You're voting for me because you think I'm deliberately trying to attract suspicion as scum, and I'm the one who can only be trying to piss you off?

On the contrary, I'd say my restraint has been remarkable.

Remember that game when I told you to f*** off? Yeah, that was WW17. Why don't you go and contemplate that game for a bit.

[zakalwe]

Gazglum, if you think my play would only make sense as a town power role, why did you call me out for it?

[Mattimeo]

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A T does not directly correspond with a vanilla town, though. There is no change in the number of vanilla town between VT and VV, for instance. And a roll of TTVV will actually have *less* vanilla town than a roll of TTTV.

A roll of T is linked to a general decrease in both town and scum ability. It does *not* directly correspond to an extra villager, though there is a general trend of the numbers of vanilla town increasing with more Ts rolled.

T is (according to the wiki linked in the setup-thread) a plain simple townie. V is a vigilante.

V was picked due to it being a role that doesn't change in number, only relative power, between 1 and 2 rolls. That is, V and VV both result in ONE vig-related power role - V is a 1-shot, VV is a full.
Another simple option would have been C, but that was avoided due to the assumption that people would take it literally and go "no, you're wrong, we know there is not CC." It appears that effort was in vain.

Did you actually read the page, btw? Some choice excerpts:
[quote]1-50 = T (Townie. This actually directly influences scum powerroles.)

Scum Roles
TTTTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)
TTTTTT = Goon + Godfather
TTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)
TTTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker
TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)
TT = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather
T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)
0 Ts = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather

Note the parts where rolls of T actually determine scum, and indirectly determine villager count.

[Mattimeo]

I have no idea what zak and mattimeo are driving at here.

There are a potential of 7 power roles in this game, so I make a post to see what we have learned, and hence if we can guess what roles we may or may not have.

I then deduced that we must have rolled a T (which is a bloody vanilla villager, I dont see how you can say the person allocated the T is anything else). Hence that is 1 less potential power role in play.

I dont see why that idea was so hard to grasp

Known roles:
novice : 1-shot cop :: minimum 1 C; odd
Serdoa : Serial Killer :: minimum 1 T; odd
Tasunk, Ichabod : vanilla town :: no known
if M occurs: 2, 4 or 5 instances only

Possible setup with (current minimum) 3 vanilla town: CDDVBBT
Possible setup with (current maximum) 8 vanilla town: CDTTTTT
Note that the actual possible maximum of 10 vanilla town (TTTTTTx) has been rendered impossible due to the existence of both a serial killer (odd T) and 1-shot cop (at least one C).

We need at least 4 people confirmed vanilla town (ie. dead or self-known, since there's no role scan in C9++) before we can make any assumptions about game setup purely from numbers of vanilla town.

[Mattimeo]

wow, really screwed up the quoting in the response to Rowain :/

Jkaen's response to zak attempting to help him understand how roles are selected really isn't encouraging me to look elsewhere today...

[Jkaen]

Because you are both compeltely ignoring what question I was asking, and trying to answer a different one.

Right now I am so fecked off I wouldn't be heart broken if you did get me lynched Mattimeo, even if it would give the game to scum.

And yes him being a dick is why I have locked my vote on zak, but it had nothing to do with why it was there in the first place

[Azza]

How were the roles in this game distributed?

That doesn't sound right.

What set up are we using? Do we have enough knowledge from that to narrow down what roles may be left and how many scum we're hunting?

What set up?

You are joking right?

Its rule 18, and we have had tons of discussions about this. Set up is here

I knew we had a set up, I wasn't sure what it was or that there was a link to it in the OP. My mistake, should read things more carefully.

A T does not directly correspond with a vanilla town, though. There is no change in the number of vanilla town between VT and VV, for instance. And a roll of TTVV will actually have *less* vanilla town than a roll of TTTV.

A roll of T is linked to a general decrease in both town and scum ability. It does *not* directly correspond to an extra villager, though there is a general trend of the numbers of vanilla town increasing with more Ts rolled.

T is (according to the wiki linked in the setup-thread) a plain simple townie. V is a vigilante.

How were the roles in this game distributed?

That doesn't sound right.

What set up are we using? Do we have enough knowledge from that to narrow down what roles may be left and how many scum we're hunting?

What what?? Azza now claims to not know how the game was setup when he first claimed miller and told us that that was a clear joke?

Have to think about that abit more but as istant reaction of that slip Azza

I never said it was a clear joke. Judging from how people reacted it wasn't clear at all.

I'm the miller.

Azza

There's a miller? I didn't see any listed in the C9++ as possible roles...

I don't know what to make of this either. Have you been paying attention at all, Azza?

Jkaen. I said you roll a T, you don't roll "vanilla". That was the nitpick. Your phrasing "odd number of vanilla" was very easy to misunderstand.

I knew there was some sort of semi-known setup, and that we might have enough information to lock down what the setup was. I didn't educate myself on the setup though, no.

[Jkaen]

Well, after all this fun regarding what I did or did not understand from the set up, can I suggest those who dont think Zak is obviously guilty put forward various ideas on who they think is.

Otherwise zak will have succeeded in sidetracking the day completely with stupid attempts at nit picking, and overshadowed any attempt to find scum, which obviously works to his advantage.

I will read up the rest of the day, but probably wont contribute much more unless I absolutely have to in order to allow decent conversations to flow