Mackoti the Vampire Lord

[Bobchillingworth]

Blight isn't too bad for the vamps, since you can just use it as an excuse to massively feast and draft down your cities, and Breeding Pits will help you soon recover the lost pop.

[mackoti]

Its there any chanse to know where stephanos apeared?
What Ac he needs to apear?

[Ilios]

40 AC

[Selrahc]

There is an event pop up showing where the Horsemen form, but it's possible that that only gets shown to the first person in the turn order.

Roadmap to Armageddon:
Stephanos-40
Relatively minor problem, because he is dumb but doesn't have the power of the later horsemen. Still pretty scary though. Comes with the crown of command and can steal your units. All of the Horsemen are dumb enough to attack when injured and that is your salvation.

Buboes-50
Buboes is a lot more of a problem. He is a big leap in toughness, but normally doesn't come much after Stephanos. He can turn your units into barbarians, and boosts the AC with his every kill. Drops "War" which is a decent weapon with the downside of pumping up the AC with kills.

Yersinia-60
Slightly less of a problem than Buboes. He spreads the plague and is very slightly stronger. But he doesn't create barbarians and comes later. Poison/Unholy immune creatures eat him up. Drops "Athame", a nasty poisoned blade.

Ars Moriendi-70.
Can be very nasty. Really strong. Spawns Wraiths from kills and has a powerful AOE spell. Hopefully by this time you've got powerful units to deal with him, because if he comes early you're pretty doomed. Drops the Staff of Souls, which is probably the most powerful weapon in the game, adding a big chunk of damage as well as death affinity.

Hellfire-80
Kind of a breather. Spawns Champions all around the world, which are under the control of either the Barbarians or the Infernals. Scattered Champions with no promotions aren't really a big threat.

Avatar of Wrath-90
Ars Moriendi is a bigger threat as a unit, because although the Avatar is still a big hulking monster who creates mildly powerful units he loses some important promos like flying and magic immune. He doesn't even have a nice weapon to drop.

The bigger threat though is losing control of the vast majority of your units. At 90 a large proportion of your units become enraged and run around looking for a battle out of your control. Watching your cities empty themselves and your workers throw themselves at enemies is nasty. World units(Heroes) and unliving are immune, so plan ahead.

Armageddon-100
Wipes out 50% of population and what is supposed to be 50% of living units but always feels more like 75%. World units are not immune to this one.

[DaveV]

All of the Horsemen are Barbarian units, and won't attack a civ with the Barbarian trait. Barbarian civs are *not* immune to Armageddon.

Spawn point for the Horsemen is random, though I think they prefer to spawn in unowned tiles. See FFHII, where two horsemen attacked Sunrise and Darrell's Vampires, taking a couple cities and turning Losha Valas into a barbarian via Burning Blood.

[mackoti]

This game starting to be unfun for me, its way to easy to rise AC and other people just to stuborn and do ravus think.
He is the realy enemy of the world.

Can someone poit me the units wich are imune to Armaghedon?

I have enemies on the gates and i wait for hipus to join to.Perhaps just they retreat because of Stephanos that would be a good break for me.

Man its like having a toy and dont know what to do with it...perhaps i just beter let them to conquer me and finish this pain game for me...


I try something in diplomacy:

hi,

I see that you and the 'Barbarians' are making the move agains me.
Do you think its wise?If i finish most of units next turn and next horseman spawn near you its game over for you.
Why dont we make peace(talk with hipus too about this) and you gave me your map so i can raze the damn city which is raising The AC counter?WE get a number turns of nap so i can get back into my teritori..
This way you still have a chanse to win the game else clerly Ravus will win, but perhaps you already are agree with that.

regards,
Mackoti.

Sent this to sareln.

Lets see.

[Selrahc]

its way to easy to rise AC

Eh. In general, with six players in a game each turn of warrens boosted Prophecy of Ragnarok only amounts to about 0.5% on the AC clock. Meaning it takes around 200 turns to boost the AC to 100 based on Prophecy of Ragnarok alone, during which time you have to pay for a hell of a lot of units that don't want to see direct military service.

Every method of raising the AC beyond Prophecy of Ragnarok and AV spread is chancy and unreliable.

And for all that investment? The AC doesn't necessarily kill anybody. If you're playing smart and get a bit lucky, you can deal with the Horsemen. You've unlocked vampires now, right? T3 units can definitely fight Horsemen.

Can someone poit me the units wich are imune to Armaghedon?

All non-living units. Demons, Angels, Golems, Undead. Plus some odder ones like Frostlings, Avatars and Elementals. They're also immune to being enraged at AC90.

Stygian Guard and Diseased Corpses are good line troops who can survive Armageddon. A horde of skeletons makes a decent stopgap measure while rebuilding. Heroes which make the grade include Yvain, Sphener, Mardero and Saverous. National units which live include Eidolons and Beasts of Agares.

The military forces of the Mercurians, Luchuirp and Infernals mostly ignore armageddon. Particularly so for the Infernals who actually can't have any living units in their army.

For a particularly nutty technique if you have the Infernal Grimoire you can get your most valuable units to read it until they acquire Demon race, letting them survive Armageddon.

Immortal troops will come back to life on being killed by Armageddon, which means Losha Valas can probably survive. If you get all the way up to Divine Essence then Blood of the Phoenix could save your entire military, but that's probably not practical.

[mackoti]

More questions..
Can someone to cast haste and others unist to benefit.Example like clan to cast haste for Hipus lets say...

[Selrahc]

Can someone to cast haste and others unist to benefit.Example like clan to cast haste for Hipus lets say...

Yeah.

[mackoti]

hmmmmmm.tanks but not the answer which i expected.