WW27 Game Thread: Once there were 12

[novice]

Slowly rereading through Zak's posts to see if I can find something to convince others of my gut feel, but refreshed the last page and saw this.

I find myself agreeing with Jowy. If we ignore feel and just look at actions, an Azza-Gazglum scum pair makes perfect sense, and we should lynch one of them.

If I add feel to the mix I wouldn't mind lynching Mattimeo, I don't think he's been very helpful this game.

Let's go Azza for now.

Do not like this post at all. Have you already forgotten the game where you and I were ghouls and I didn't even let you know that I was also in a neighbour thread?

I can't say I've been thinking much about that game, no. How is it relevant?

[Azza]

Slowly rereading through Zak's posts to see if I can find something to convince others of my gut feel, but refreshed the last page and saw this.

I find myself agreeing with Jowy. If we ignore feel and just look at actions, an Azza-Gazglum scum pair makes perfect sense, and we should lynch one of them.

If I add feel to the mix I wouldn't mind lynching Mattimeo, I don't think he's been very helpful this game.

Let's go Azza for now.

Do not like this post at all. Have you already forgotten the game where you and I were ghouls and I didn't even let you know that I was also in a neighbour thread?

I can't say I've been thinking much about that game, no. How is it relevant?

When do I ever publicly stick up for a scum buddy?

[Azza]

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I don't even fully share information with my teammates to try to make it look believable that we are not associated. Why would I suddenly change my entire philosophy by publicly sticking up for Gazglum for days?

[Jkaen]

I find myself agreeing with Jowy. If we ignore feel and just look at actions, an Azza-Gazglum scum pair makes perfect sense, and we should lynch one of them.

If I add feel to the mix I wouldn't mind lynching Mattimeo, I don't think he's been very helpful this game.

Let's go Azza for now.

Why, Gaz already had a decent amount of votes, why would you throw the lynch into doubt by adding a third person into it

[novice]

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I don't even fully share information with my teammates to try to make it look believable that we are not associated. Why would I suddenly change my entire philosophy by publicly sticking up for Gazglum for days?

Maybe you're mixing it up? Anyway I thought your scum game was "play like I would as a villager no matter what my scumbuddies do". So if your village self would stick up for a scumbuddy, wouldn't you do it as scum as well?

[Azza]

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I don't even fully share information with my teammates to try to make it look believable that we are not associated. Why would I suddenly change my entire philosophy by publicly sticking up for Gazglum for days?

Maybe you're mixing it up? Anyway I thought your scum game was "play like I would as a villager no matter what my scumbuddies do". So if your village self would stick up for a scumbuddy, wouldn't you do it as scum as well?

I'm not sure why I'd mix it up in such a way that makes it easier for me to be caught.

I'd agree that your description of my scum game is accurate, but that also encapsulates trying to make sure my teammates are less likely to negatively associate with me.

If my village play and scum play in terms of sticking up for someone who's scum are no different, how can it be considered a scum tell that I'm sticking up for Gazglum whose alignment isn't even known yet?

[novice]

If my village play and scum play in terms of sticking up for someone who's scum are no different, how can it be considered a scum tell that I'm sticking up for Gazglum whose alignment isn't even known yet?

You brought up sticking up for Gazglum as an example. The main interaction tell between you and Gazglum is that Gazglum hasn't pursued you.

Saying that you and Gazglum make sense as a scum pair was perhaps a bit misleading by me anyway. I didn't mean to say that you two have to be scum based on the interactions between you - it's more that based on how the votes have fallen, you two fit as scum (individually) and you both have in common that logic dictates scum where as feel gives a town lean.

Nothing in your posts except general tone indicates that you're town. A lot of meta and very little investigation. You even removed half the players from consideration because their posts made your head hurt.

[Mattimeo]

I find myself agreeing with Jowy. If we ignore feel and just look at actions, an Azza-Gazglum scum pair makes perfect sense, and we should lynch one of them.

If I add feel to the mix I wouldn't mind lynching Mattimeo, I don't think he's been very helpful this game.

Let's go Azza for now.

Wow, didn't even notice this when I made my vote :/

Nice timing though, novice

[Azza]

Ok, on my zak reread, there were 3 posts that I really didn't like.

MJW could be scum, but if he's not, Azarius looks a bit shady for post #52.

I don't get that part of post #62 zak. Azarius vote in #52 for MJW because he felt that MJWs thinking makes no sense. The thinking he talks about here is MJWs explanation why zak should never have suggested a no-lynch. Why would Azarius be shady for that if MJW was not scum?

Either I'm missing some nuance about exactly what you're asking here, or your question is oddly phrased.

Either way; if MJW is not scum, then he is innocent, and Azarius was attacking an innocent player for attacking another innocent player. So my thinking was that Azarius could be scum who was waiting for two townies to go at each other and then vocally picking a side. Ichabod's active/reactive theorem might be applicable, too.

I did read your cases yesterday, but I didn't have time to comment on everything, as I was short on keyboard time. I considered Gazglum in particular, but ultimately it felt a bit too tenuous. As did my own case on Azarius, for that matter.

There's something about zak's wording in this post and the quote in Serdoa's that feels off. Like he knew MJW was scum, so he had to unnaturally change what he was going to say. Feels very awkward.

I know I'm the worst person to be saying this, but why MJW? What pushed him over azza/matt for you?

Is this for me? I'm just following Novice. And MJW fits well with my other suspects.

MJW really has been spamming up the thread a lot, and not just with the thought crime.

Why does he vote MJW? Because novice did it and it fits well with his other suspects. Yet people are clearing him from potentially having bussed MJW?

Jowy, why do you think MJW didn't have much longevity? And regardless of why you think so, Gazglum looks very scummy for parroting that idea.

His style. He'll always be high on the lynch candidate list because of that. And when playing wolf he can't get cleared as village. This game he had been pushed on both days. If I was scum and we chose to sacrifice someone for the greater good, it'd be MJW.

Ok. Personally, I never had a problem with MJW's style and regard him as a strong player, both as town and as scum. And I don't think he actually gets lynched very often. (Apart from when Ichabod decides to take the plunge...) In any case, I didn't mean to say that sacrificing MJW would be unthinkable. But I think the claim that he was living on borrowed time already was unfounded.

And here he, IMO, overrates MJW's chances of avoiding being lynched. MJW was a very popular lynch choice across both day 1 and day 2. Scum trying to defend him will look extremely suspicious in hindsight if it keeps going. So better to bus him and establish the cover.

Might be tunnel vision, but after my re-read I've gone from mere gut feel that zak is scum to pretty confident that zak is scum.

[zakalwe]

I like Jowy's post.

I agree that logic dictates lynching Azza or Gazglum, and of the two I think Gazglum deserves more to live. Azza's attack on me is pretty weak and it's hard to see what would warrant such conviction. Looks more like an attempt to minimize his trail, or maybe even frame me as his accomplice.

Well, actually, I'm not entirely convinced. But I'll put my vote on him while he is still here, so he can defend. Lynching someone other than Azza/Gazglum feels like a potential strategic blunder.

Azza