WW #41. New Horizons.

[Rowain]

From my PoV the town to scum list runs

Gazglum ( clear town )
novice ( feeling )
Bacchus ( play and by exclusion only one of Serdoa/bacchus possible)

Lewwyn (easier to believe in a lying sensor than in a godfather)
AdrienIer

Serdoa
Fits with his early unfounded attack on zak. His constant harping that I have killing powers or am elsewise a good lynch.
His emotional reaction: Reread the Masquerade game and you will see that Serdoa is really good at this. (Serdoa was Fat Rose and scum)

for example

Yeah, please vote for me and than we are done with this, fine with me. Especially when now 3 people vote in short order for me, all giving no reason at all. Harry makes an extremely long post, telling us that he has no clue, hence he votes for me. Saul just follows it up because I have pushed him but not voted him and he doesn't like that, even though I had explained already yesterday why I did not vote him yet (waiting for Richard). And then Rob chimes in, claiming I'm his no.2 suspect. Honestly, if there is not at least 1 wolf within those 3 I'd be very, very surprised.

[AdrienIer]

Bacchus ( play and by exclusion only one of Serdoa/bacchus possible)

Wait how does your suspicions on Serdoa mean Bacchus is less likely to be scum relatively to the others ? Only one of Serdoa/anyone is possible unless you have a 3 scum theory so why is he the only one to gain points from that

[Serdoa]

I find it great Rowain how in your post at 13:39 you explain that zak could have been a godfather, and that he did the jump onto the lynch to give the other scum on the lynch free reign. And yet in your post at 13:51 you then explain that I'm the most likely scum. I wasn't on the BRick lynch so if you believe zak had the godfather role, you should never vote me (or Bacchus or Gaz).

Also:

Fits with his early unfounded attack on zak. His constant harping that I have killing powers or am elsewise a good lynch.

I stated it already, I state it again: You are a liar. I did not constantly harp that you have killing powers, I only mentioned and expected it because of your own posts. And you didn't mind that, till zak actually mentioned that I would try to set you up. Then suddenly you exploded with rage against me which you keep up since then.

Also, we know that zak was scum. If I really tried to set you up with that, why would my scum-buddy not once but several times confront me over it? It makes no sense, I would have talked with him about it and even if not, zak would not start an attack over that on me if he was scum with me. He genuinely was pissed that I was onto him, probably because he felt I was on him for the wrong reasons, something scum is always pissed about.

I also didn't state you are a good lynch several times but once. And on D1 you would have been. There is not even debate over it imo, because it is exactly like that. You are a better lynch because we do not lose a townie, which is more likely, and we get rid of a 3rd party that can't be trusted because we don't know which win-conditions it have, which powers or anything. Obviously for town, which are the ones with the least insight in the setup, it makes sense to get rid of one variable that can't be controlled or trusted.

But that is all anyway for nothing, because you won't answer the same way you haven't answered the last 3 times. You throw out your accusations, get refuted and simply ignore it to put it out again later as if it was never answered.

By now I believe you have to get me lynched in order to win.

[Lewwyn]

I think the best play is to just protect the confirmed townies, if somebody else dies that just narrows down our pool of suspects. Lockdown is paired with repositioning (commuting), which arguably is more valuable to confirmed villagers than jailing.

Okay, I'll just protect myself with repositioning then I guess.

[novice]

I think the best play is to just protect the confirmed townies, if somebody else dies that just narrows down our pool of suspects. Lockdown is paired with repositioning (commuting), which arguably is more valuable to confirmed villagers than jailing.

Okay, I'll just protect myself with repositioning then I guess.

OTOH you're not 100% confirmed so I don't know. :-)

[Rowain]

Bacchus ( play and by exclusion only one of Serdoa/bacchus possible)

Wait how does your suspicions on Serdoa mean Bacchus is less likely to be scum relatively to the others ? Only one of Serdoa/anyone is possible unless you have a 3 scum theory so why is he the only one to gain points from that

Because they are still bonded in my mind.

Logically you are right. If Serdoa dies and turns out to be town would I lynch Bacchus then? I don't know. Currently I rather lynch you or Lewwyn before Bacchus.

[Rowain]

I find it great Rowain how in your post at 13:39 you explain that zak could have been a godfather, and that he did the jump onto the lynch to give the other scum on the lynch free reign. And yet in your post at 13:51 you then explain that I'm the most likely scum. I wasn't on the BRick lynch so if you believe zak had the godfather role, you should never vote me (or Bacchus or Gaz).

The zak as godfather was just a possibility. It is something to keep in mind (just like Lewwyn being scum) but not something that has priority.

[Serdoa]

Bacchus ( play and by exclusion only one of Serdoa/bacchus possible)

Wait how does your suspicions on Serdoa mean Bacchus is less likely to be scum relatively to the others ? Only one of Serdoa/anyone is possible unless you have a 3 scum theory so why is he the only one to gain points from that

Because they are still bonded in my mind.

Logically you are right. If Serdoa dies and turns out to be town would I lynch Bacchus then? I don't know. Currently I rather lynch you or Lewwyn before Bacchus.

o_O And I'm the one who is said to set up lynches?

[Rowain]

o_O And I'm the one who is said to set up lynches?

There is a difference between "hey don't forget X might be dangerous" right from day 1 even making stuff up like you did and "I rather lynch a and b before c and d" near the end of Night 2.

I'm sure every villager has such a thought in his mind.

[Serdoa]

You are dangerous, I don't need to tell that anyone Rowain. I also didn't make stuff up, we misunderstood the other. *sigh* We gone over this so many times and you don't even acknowledge what I'm saying. Have you ever gone back, read my post with the questions to you again and your answer? If so, you should realize how easy it was to take your words as hint that you have a kill-power.

You know, the question you should ask is: Why was he not all over me, if he expected me to have a kill-power? And the answer is: Because I thought you had hinted at it and therefore did not believe that you had to use it against town, else you wouldn't have told us. And then zak started his attack on me, by stating I would try to get him lynched and you set up for the next day. What you immediately made your own stance. And now zak is dead, he is scum and you still don't reconsider if I might not have been genuine all along and zak simply using that I misunderstood you. That's why I don't trust you, because since D1, no matter what happened, you never gone back at your initial reason to pick at me and see if you could be wrong.