WW24: The Ashes of Brigdarrow: VILLAGE WINS

[Lewwyn]

I'll just do the best I can from now on.

Where have I heard that before?

[Gazglum]

Ok, thoughts on Brick

VOTES

Day 1: Azza > Lewwyn > Tasunke (to save himself)

Day 2: Azza

Day 3: Slowcheetah

Scum Tells?

- mood swings, blah blah, Day 1 case.
- repeated pattern of promising to really hunt 'tomorrow', and then contributing little before finally showing up in the last 6 hours. This
- won't place actual votes until the end of the day
- this post feels scummy to me:

Because the day had already gone on long enough that I felt it had moved out of the starting of day pressure votes. And sorry that my time zone pings your scumdar. :P

- when he does vote, puts his vote on candidates that will look good to his pursuers.

Town Tells

- Other than the one I quoted, I think his Day 2 and 3 posts sound fairly reasonable
- His fight against Azza wasn't as out of the blue as I thought - he's on Azza Day 1, big attack Day 2, and presses him again Day 3
- Unless he's allied with Zak, why would scum Brick kill Ichabod, who had been a much-needed defender of his?


And on Azza:

VOTES
Day 1: Azza > Rowain > Tasunke
Day 2: Gazglum > Brick > Serdoa
Day 3: Rowain

Scum Tells?

Day 1 he counterattacks a lot (or jokes 'everyone is scum!'), is defensive, and guilts Serdoa about

Attack someone who isn't known for being particularly good at defending themselves, who has exposed themselves.

Day 2 I'm not going to repeat everything from yesterday, but I agree with Brick was right about Azza's case on me being weak. He backed down in the level of his accusations, but it felt more in response to others not backing him than what i was saying in my defence. He says that I am scummy "for not pushing cases", but his own pushing, me aside, is anemic.

I have a different playstyle to most here, that doesn't make me scummy. The case you've created is based on misinterpretations, ignoring context, the occasional blatant falsehood and a flat dismissal of my Gazglum case for no reason other than you don't agree with it.

That's a silly thing to say. Obviously people dismiss cases because they don't agree with them. That's why they dismiss them. Plus, Brick didn't just say, "no lolz @ Gaz case", he went through it post by post.

Day 3: Not impressed by Azza today.

I was, he implied, still his highest suspect at the end of Day 2. But he hasn't touched me at all so far, where's the consistency? Nor did he again attack 'ham-fisted' scummy Brick. He says he's suspicious of SLowcheetah and does what seems like a pressure vote on Rowain. Still no real pushing cases.

Where's the evidence Azza marshalls for his 'cases'? There is none, it's all in his stomach:

My gut says Rowain is scum, but I can't find any good evidence to back up my gut feeling.

If i had some actual evidence proving it was you, id post that. But my gut says it's you, so Im going to stick with that for now.

Rowain is also another potential target of convenience for a mislynch, after the Serdoa strangeness Day 2.

Finally, and pretty damningly. I meant what I said that I thought the meta discussion was a distraction, and that a distraction favoured scum, especially Brick/Azza. But I didn't realise till rereading that the big meta discussions was started by...

How were the roles in this game distributed?

How were the roles in this game distributed?

That doesn't sound right.

What set up are we using? Do we have enough knowledge from that to narrow down what roles may be left and how many scum we're hunting?

Town Tells?

- He's consistent in his support for Mattimeo
- He came back to Rowain after being suspicious of him way back in Day 1
- He didn't jump on the anti-Zak case, when he easily could have. He defended Zak, which I agree with.
- His posting style is more or less in character.

Still, looking at it overall, I feel comfortable going back to Azza for now.

[BRickAstley]

I'll just do the best I can from now on.

Where have I heard that before?

Yeah I know.

I'm in a tough position here , and if I were you all, I might likely want to go ahead and lynch myself as well. IRL has been an unexpected killer to my time i can commit, and when I can be on here, I've been finding it a struggle to get my mind into the game. That said, I know I wouldn't just let someone who is known to post a lot skate by with such a low contribution, and it's not gamesmanlike to try and beg more time on promises I can't guarantee to keep.

[BRickAstley]

Side note: I'm kinda confused why everyone keeps mentioning WW17, I mean, precedent is something to look at, but that's far enough back and people could have changed their playstyle enough that it shouldn't be really relevant now.

[Gazglum]

Tally (updated from Slow's version)

Brick Astley: 3 (Slowcheetah, Zakalwe, Lewwyn)
Azza: 2 (Gazglum, Rowain)
Slowcheetah: 1 (Brick)
Zakalwe: 1 (Jkaen)
Rowain: 1 (Azza)
Jkaen: 1 (Mattimeo)

[Azza]

He [MATTIMEO - Gaz edit] still feels townish to me. He doesn't appear to be trying too hard which he typically does as scum. Not saying he should be declared unlynchably town, but there's no shortage of better lynch candidates IMO.

Who are the better lynch candidates Azza? Who do you favour at the moment, say top 3 lynch preferences?

I need to re-read before I make a decision on whether Rowain stays in the top 3 or not, but the other two are Brick and slowcheetah (who happen to be voting for each other... )

[Azza]

Rowain definitely stays in the top 3.

Still don't like the sudden proposal at the end of day 2 to lynch Serdoa out of nowhere. I'd been thinking that it might've made sense if Zak and Rowain were mason partners, but they've attacked each other way too much for that to be the case IMO. On top of that, Rowain has made a lot of short comments on whether or not someone is/isn't suspicious. What he hasn't done is attempt to construct an actual case on someone. It's a lot easier for scum to just make short comments on everyone than to really construct a case and push for it.

[zakalwe]

I'm going in circles whenever I try to reason my way through this. But I feel better about Lewwyn and Gazglum right now. I can't say Brick really feels super scummy but pragmatically speaking he may still make a good lynch.

I've probably spent too much time defending Azza, but his play just reminds me more of the game where he was Ryan's puppet, and wasn't afraid to stick his neck out, than of his scum games where he generally stays more quiet and just posts a daily attack on one of his scumbuddies.

Ironically, I feel the urge to say "what about Rowain?", but my suspicion is still tempered by the fact that he chose to go after Serdoa instead of me.

So maybe reconsider Slowcheetah then, but that's mostly just a shot in the dark, to be honest.

[Azza]

Ironically, I feel the urge to say "what about Rowain?", but my suspicion is still tempered by the fact that he chose to go after Serdoa instead of me.

There's a logical reason why Rowain would go after Serdoa instead of you. You were online, Serdoa was not.

[zakalwe]

Gazglum is probably also right that we've been a bit too eager to clear Mattimeo, but every time he does post something, it generally does nudge me a little in the town direction. I didn't like the way he "locked" his vote on Jkaen, though, as it was apparently for out-of-game reasons. Jkaen is of course guilty of the same thing, but two wrongs do not make a right.

Mattimeo, you should make a final pitch for your Jkaen case or choose another target.