(August 29th, 2013, 04:59)Azza Wrote: Q, I feel your attack on MJW is because he's being anti-town rather than scummy. If this is an incorrect assumption, could you please explain how his play indicates he's scum rather than just crazy old MJW?
(August 29th, 2013, 05:23)Azza Wrote:
(August 29th, 2013, 05:12)Qgqqqqq Wrote:
(August 29th, 2013, 04:59)Azza Wrote: Q, I feel your attack on MJW is because he's being anti-town rather than scummy. If this is an incorrect assumption, could you please explain how his play indicates he's scum rather than just crazy old MJW?
No, that's not what I was getting at. In general, MJW says weird meta stuff, and makes odd votes, but generally he does contribute. He does give his own thoughts on a bunch of issues, and IMO he does push his suspicions and thoughts on a bunch of people.
But I'm not seeing that at all this game. What I see as suspicious is that he seems to be using his weird meta as a smoke screen for posting a lot, but nor actually contributing. The whole fixation with zaks opening post, is something I feel he is using to allow himself to sit back and not contribute, not actually scumhunt. The same thing with the "I'll not help until matt turns up" posts, I feel he is deliberately avoiding contributing as a player.
I suppose the difference lies in my perceived intention of the action - the whole thing looks deliberate, unlike his normal spam, and I feel his contributing less then normal is a scum factor, not just MJW playing badly.
To me, it feels extremely similar to the way he posted in the masquerade game where I wanted to lynch him for being anti-town (even after he was as good as confirmed town, I still wanted to lynch him, but the whole Muriel thing overrode that).
Guess we'll have to agree to disagree. The main reason I'm avoiding jumping on you at this point is because I always think you're scummy, so I'm not confident in my read here.
This isn't the scum Azza that I know, going so far to defend a scumbuddy on day 2.
I don't have the full picture, Azza. If Mattimeo is scum, then suddenly your play doesn't look so atypical. And I don't think you're incapable of changing your style to throw us off.
There's a limit to how much town cred you should get for defending scum.
Other thought I've had. Azarius' claim is true in that he's a jailer, but what if he is the scum jailer. We got this from zak...
(September 1st, 2013, 16:33)zakalwe Wrote: A deliberate no kill from scum seems unlikely, so Azarius' claim is pretty strong if it isn't contested. And if he is scum, he could also have claimed to jail someone else who was less trusted, with much more disruptive results, likely leading to a mislynch. So to be precise, the combination of not killing and then claiming to jail Novice seems unlikely.
Effectively, he dismisses the possibility of it being a scum ploy, and everyone's happy to accept that. But given that people seem to be ending up on me as a process of elimination lynch, I'm not happy with just accepting this any more.
Add to this Azarius and zak instantly jumped on Gazglum with no explanation at the start of the day following novice. This implied that someone had information that meant Gazglum had been caught in the act. But we know that Azarius didn't have anything to indicate who went after novice, if someone even did. So why the instantwagon on Gaz?
(September 2nd, 2013, 11:52)zakalwe Wrote: I don't have the full picture, Azza. If Mattimeo is scum, then suddenly your play doesn't look so atypical. And I don't think you're incapable of changing your style to throw us off.
There's a limit to how much town cred you should get for defending scum.
Gazglum, Mattimeo and I can't all be scum. If I'm scum defending scum in Gazglum, then Mattimeo cannot be scum I'm attacking. If I'm scum attacking Mattimeo, Gazglum cannot be scum I'm defending.
Your argument for voting for me doesn't make sense.
