WW26: The Masquerade [Game Thread]

[Lady Elizabeth]

Let me reply to this better:

And the reason it's scummy as hell to demand I mod-kill myself is because the village reaction to players who are low activity is to try and push them into contributing something (which other players had done successfully.)

I think Muriel demanded you modkill yourself after you said "better to do it now than latter" implying that you won't be able to start posting more. If you could start posting more than there is a decent chance that you would be able to live.

[Sir Percival]

unsure on john, but have liked his contributions. also has strong claim that could be disproved by bert or will if lying.

guess im assuming john village unless bert or will disprove claim.

I don't get this. John is telling the truth about who visited whom. If he were lying about it he would say that Bert visited Will. Because it's easier to assume that Bert scryed Will rather than Will proving his alignment to bert somehow. So John legitimately watched* Will visit Bert

*or had a wolf partner watch

thats pretty much what i said. im happy to believe johns claim unless it disproved.

[Lady Elizabeth]

Elizabeth could be scum actually, using the power against me when I don't have much time to defend and already offered to suicide on day 3/4 if I still had no time is clearly an anti-town move. If elizabeth is scum, however, then she has a very strong incentive to dump the ability on a policy lynch target that's unlikely to defend himself in order to avoid blame.

And she asked whether I was a PR at the start of the day, in hindsight I guess that was a setup for the use of this power to avoid potentially dueling a PR. Well, she just did.

I'm village watcher, Will (and no one else) visited Bert last night, and you two are being completely unsubtle about it by the way.

In the circumstances i'm forced to vote for Lady Elizabeth.

Also, all this misrepresentation and demanding that I mod-kill myself instantly is over the top and scummy as hell so Fat Rose and Muriel should die too, someone shoot them thanks.

1. I don't see you offering to mod-kill yourself. True, you didn't vote, but many don't vote until the end of the day.
2. If I were scum I could wait longer, because I would not have to worry about getting Night-killed. And if I wanted to avoid blame I would probably vote sister mary because she is Muriel's faviorite person to attack and people would probably blame Muriel.
3. Why would I bother checking if the person who I'm dueling is a power-role if I'm a wolf. If I was a wolf I would assume that I would be able to win the duel, even if the target is a power-role, and not bother to ask. Hitting a power-role would be even better.
4. Asking for a mod-kill for someone who won't play is not over the top at all. It's really unfair to the village.

[Lady Elizabeth]

unsure on john, but have liked his contributions. also has strong claim that could be disproved by bert or will if lying.

guess im assuming john village unless bert or will disprove claim.

I don't get this. John is telling the truth about who visited whom. If he were lying about it he would say that Bert visited Will. Because it's easier to assume that Bert scryed Will rather than Will proving his alignment to bert somehow. So John legitimately watched* Will visit Bert

*or had a wolf partner watch

thats pretty much what i said. im happy to believe johns claim unless it disproved.

It won't ever be disproved. He is not likely to be lying about his power because of the issue in my paragraph. So the only way to disprove, today, is if a seer scryed him.

[Lady Elizabeth]

Really I agree with Rob practically completely on the John post (at least, before he started getting emotional about it), and think Muriel emerges from it very scummily. In particular this fragment was eyeopening

Honestly this is going to sound really cocky and I realize that, but the only thing that makes sense to me is that I got them. I'm on the right track, and that's why they're acting so ridiculous, just hoping that keeping the act up will give them enough "a wolf would never be so obvious" points to make it work. Rob is a wolf. Mary is a wolf. John is a wolf. Percival.. I don't know. I still get the noob vibe from him, and the newest post shows some personal growth.

And in general I think her comments on the whole process have been over the top and aggressive without really contributing. But enough inks been spilt on this subject.
I don't think that was a very smart use of LE power tbh, but I think she's more innocent then Scarlet John.

Bert, could you explain your connection to will?

This is poor logic. Him claiming watcher does nothing to show he is not a wolf. It makes sense for team wolf to be given a watcher because they can find roles like baners and seers and have the ability to claim a role that is not extremely scummy. I cannot see how him roleclaming changes anything....

[Lady Elizabeth]

Well that's it for tonight. I'll just remind people don't forget what happened on page 1.

[Widow Edith]

For gods sake take the hint and shut up about it. They said they already revealed too much.

For someone who claims that John is a lying wolf you act very strange.

I think Will is scum. Bert pops up and claims Will is villager. So far so good but then he adds. If Will is scum then the GM is a Bastard. Did you see that?

This sentence shows that Bert is not that sure that Will is a villager at all.

And John comes and claims that Will visited Bert not the other way round.
Bert who was visited claims that Will is town except if the GM is a Bastard (nice way out). And you wonder why I want to hear the full story?
Even if Will is a neighborizer I don't see why the GM would be a bastard if Will is scum nor how Bert can be sure enough that Will is a villager to make that unnecessary claim.

TLDR: I want an explanation for If Will is scum then the GM is a Bastard

PS There is a sinister explanation but I prefer to hear from Bert/Will first.

[Know-Nothing Jon]

I think it's likely that both Lady Elizabeth and Scarlet John are innocent, but I think it's least unlikely that Scarlet John is scum. His claimed power role shouldn't factor into it, as a scum would stand zero chance of surviving the duel if he didn't claim something powerful. Lady Elizabeth has been townish all along, on top of the meta tell in her favor. So I'd rather lynch Scarlet John and at least get some closure on that, even if it's a likely mislynch.

Doctor Saul, you were eager to put some pressure on a lurker earlier. Why didn't you cast a new vote after realizing that your first target was already dead?

[Bert The Bard]

Scarlet John is obviously a watcher, or has a teammate who is. We still have to lynch him though. Yes, Will did visit me last night, because the GM told me. The GM also told me that due to the visit I now know that Will is town. So if Will isn't town the GM is a bastard.

The natural assumption for how I knew that Will is town beyond reasonable doubt is that we're masons. Seer scans aren't that reliable. Well, I'm neither a mason nor a seer.

BTW if anybody outed a power role it was me, or secondarily Lady Elizabeth by announcing an impending vig kill. It doesn't matter though, Will was shaping out to be one of the lynch candidates today and I would have claimed today regardless, I just wanted to give scum a little more rope first.

Sister Mary, since Short Richard participated a bit and she didn't.

[Fat Rose]

Elizabeth could be scum actually, using the power against me when I don't have much time to defend and already offered to suicide on day 3/4 if I still had no time is clearly an anti-town move. If elizabeth is scum, however, then she has a very strong incentive to dump the ability on a policy lynch target that's unlikely to defend himself in order to avoid blame.

Your offer was an anti-town move, even more so if you are indeed a village PR. Why would you suicide and take away such a role from the village? Again, as I asked several times now: If you didn't have time at the start of this game, why didn't you tell BRick so someone from the waiting list could take over?

And she asked whether I was a PR at the start of the day, in hindsight I guess that was a setup for the use of this power to avoid potentially dueling a PR. Well, she just did.

This paragraph (especially the last sentence) reads extremely staged.

I'm village watcher, Will (and no one else) visited Bert last night, and you two are being completely unsubtle about it by the way.

In the circumstances i'm forced to vote for Lady Elizabeth.

Also, all this misrepresentation and demanding that I mod-kill myself instantly is over the top and scummy as hell so Fat Rose and Muriel should die too, someone shoot them thanks.

I've told that so often already, but hey, I'm fine with telling you as well: What misrepresentation did I do? Where did I demand that you mod-kill yourself? I stated that I believe what you did is a wolf-gambit. Don't try and shove your bad play onto others. You said "I'm fine with getting policy-lynched, I don't have time for this" and suddenly now you tell us you are the village-watcher? What if the majority of players would have accepted your request and lynched you? Would you also suddenly cried foul and revealed that you are the watcher?

Your whole play is mind-boggling. When I first saw your reveal I thought that if it is the truth maybe you made that whole gambit so that you would be suspicious and would not get a target for the wolves. But that you attack those that find you suspicious isn't adding up to that thought.

And the reason it's scummy as hell to demand I mod-kill myself is because the village reaction to players who are low activity is to try and push them into contributing something (which other players had done successfully.)

1. (More of a general note) I'm not your nanny nor your mother. Everyone know what those games are about and honestly I'm getting sick and tired of players that assume that the others have to hold their hand. I'm not interested in having to always push half the village to contribute. If you don't want to, fine. But don't blame it on the others that they do not push you to contribute.

2. You were NOT a target because of low activity. I targeted you specifically because you said "I'm ok, policy lynch me." and your subsequent posts which for me appeared like a wolf. You act here as if you are the standard low-activity poster and you are not.

I think they're trying to create a situation where I'm damned no matter what I do. If I don't post anything after being pushed I have to be lynched. If I do post something then I'm faking and have to be lynched. If I modkill myself instantly I'm dead and they can blame me. If not, then I have to be policy lynched. That's not scum hunting, it's trying to lock in a mislynch in such a way that I can't defend myself.

I think Half-Nose Harry stated that already but: You yourself created that very situation you describe here. If you are indeed the village watcher you are a moron to have gotten us in this situation to begin with. Even more that you now try to blame it on everyone else but yourself.