[SPOILERS]Novice, Spacemanmf and Athlete4life10 are HUYANA CAPAC OF CHINA

[novice]

Agree on the slider, let's not risk delaying AH.

[spacemanmf]

Weirdly, it is 29 EP to see ad hoc's graphs, but 30 for TT, despite neither having put any points against us. But I switch 3 EPs to TT (to be changed to the full 4 EPs next turn provided ad hoc hasn't put any EPs against us).

Turn 51 demographics:



I said Pegasus' request was reasonable and said we would try not to put much cultural pressure on each other. I also said he could probably guess the tech we went for as it was pretty textbook.

To TT, I said that we had no plans for wonders at this stage and he should ask if he wants to negotiate on any future wonders. I also asked if he had any plans for his Impis...

[spacemanmf]

And, I nudged ad hoc. Ended turn and woo hoo! Analysis time!

[novice]

Weirdly, it is 29 EP to see ad hoc's graphs, but 30 for TT, despite neither having put any points against us.

Total EPs spent on any opponent also matter, and Ad Hoc is behind because of an extra revolt to hinduism.

[spacemanmf]

Total EPs spent on any opponent also matter, and Ad Hoc is behind because of an extra revolt to hinduism.

Nice catch!

[spacemanmf]

OK, C&D. Looks like Pegasus 2-pop whipped his capital down to size 3, which means his power will have gone down by 1k. But his total power went up 1k, which means that he produced something worth 2k. Does that mean he two-pop whipped a granary, worker or settler and his second city built a warrior with overflow?

Score and power-wise that was the only change.

Pegasus now has cities of size 3 and 2, as does TT. Ruff has a size 4 city and ad hoc has a size 3 city.

I must again congratulate you on your brilliant microplan work. We nearly have three cities as well as two wonders! Amazing stuff.

[spacemanmf]

Ad hoc power analysis:

Starts with The Wheel and a warrior, so 6k (like Pegasus).

T9: Builds warrior -> 8k
T12: Grows to size 2 -> 9k

And... nothing for ages.

T30: Researches mining and moves to 13k, so builds a warrior at the same time.
T35: Builds warrior -> 15k

T37 checkpoint: Mining, TW, 4 warriors, 3 pop, as expected.

T38: Researches Bronze Working -> 23k
T46: Builds barracks ->26k
T49: Builds axe ->32k
T50: Builds axe ->38k

Given the lack of a whip (is he even in Slavery?), that last axe must have been hastily chopped. Understandable.

Ok, so that makes more sense than my previous analysis. It wasn't ad hoc building an axe on T41, it was someone else.

It doesn't look like he has researched AH either, although conceivably could have done so on the exact same turn as losing a warrior. But let's assume not, so now has:

Mining, TW, BW, 4 warriors, 2 axes, 1 barracks and 3 pop -> 38k.

[spacemanmf]

And by deduction, I can now look at TT's power development (yes, it's getting chronic now).

Starts with Hunting and, unconventionally, a warrior, so 4k.

T7: Researches Mining -> 6k
T17: Loses warrior -> 4k
T20: Researches Bronze Working, grows to size 2 -> 13k
T28: Builds warrior -> 15k
T30: Researches The Wheel -> 19k
T31: Builds ikhanda -> 22k
T33: Lost another warrior -> 20k
T34: Builds another warrior ->22k
T40: Builds impi -> 26k
T41: New city -> 27k
T44: Builds impi -> 31k
T45: Researches AH -> 33k
T46: Builds impi + pop growth -> 38k
T47: Whips second city + builds 2 impis -> 45k
T48: Whips capital + builds impi -> 48k
T49: Builds impi -> 52k
T50: Pop growth -> 53k

So, as I thought:

Mining, BW, TW, Hunt, AH, 1 warrior (third time lucky!), 7 impis, 3 + 2 pop, ikhanda

I'll stop now.

Incidentally, I'm out tomorrow night so won't be able to pick up the save if it comes in.

[novice]

I must again congratulate you on your brilliant microplan work. We nearly have three cities as well as two wonders! Amazing stuff.

Thanks! And while we're patting each others' backs, your recent interest in C&D is very useful. With four out of five graphs we can track almost anything, in principle.

I wonder how Pegasus got that T80 NAP with TT, especially given his aggressive settlement towards TT.

There is silver SW of the rice

Nice, given our dense dotmap we won't need Monarchy for happiness at all. I doubt we'll ever adopt Hereditary Rule, actually. Our first revolt should be to Bureaucracy and Organized Religion, methinks. I think three civics require two turns of anarchy.

Mining, BW, TW, Hunt, AH, 1 warrior (third time lucky!), 7 impis, 3 + 2 pop, ikhanda

One thought I had is that Impis and chariots are indistinguishable on the power graph. So we might want to add a spear to our western defenses.

(is he [Ad Hoc] even in Slavery?)

Yeah, he's actually in slavery and organized religion. I guess that explains why he adopted hinduism. The culture and espionage graphs reveal that he adopted those civics the turn before we met.

Incidentally, I'm out tomorrow night so won't be able to pick up the save if it comes in.

I should be able to do that.

[spacemanmf]

Ad hoc doesn't appear to have used the whip yet (from memory). Strange that he's slow building settlers/workers.

Maybe TT figured vultures weren't worth taking on, so he would pick one target. One who has foregone growth for two religions... That said, TT isn't going to crack a capital "full" of axes and with 40% culture defences, but he can cause a bit of annoyance.