WW27 Game Thread: Once there were 12

[Azarius]

That does make me feel better about Mattimeo. Is your script able to give a tally for today?

[novice]

Is your script able to give a tally for today?

Can do:

4 votes: Gazglum - Jkaen, Jowy, Zakalwe, Azarius
2 votes: Azza - Novice, Mattimeo
1 votes: Zak - Azza
1 votes: Jowy - Gazglum

Not voting: Qgqqqqq

[Qgqqqqq]

I don't get you Jowy, if MJW was likely to be lynched the next day anyway, why wouldn't scum attack him?
Of course it would be better if he didn't die, but that's always the case for scum - they never really want their buddies to die. And if he wasn't going to be lynched the next day, why didn't you think he'd have much longevity?
Similarly how can you think they wouldve set up a revenge lynch on you? Firstly AT ALL - how could they possibly know that you would come online and vote AND vote for a different candidate (this was based around if you'd gone for matt)?? How could they possibly know any of that, and even if they did, how could they set something up like that without voting for MJW?
And as for casting your vote last minute - IMO you did do that. 10 minutes remaining is about the maximum you can vote before the lynch, without it being absolutely blatant you were bandwagoning, and it had been about an hour since the last vote.
I'm feeling Jowy quite strongly, because I think Gazglums been playing overall quite like his village self, which I'll expand on shortly.

[novice]

IIRC, Jowy and MJW were both pursuing Zak for his No lynch opening post at a time when nobody else seemed interested in that case.

[Merovech]

Half hour until day end.

Votecount:
Gazglum: 4 - JKaen, zakalwe, Azarius, Jowy
Jowy: 2 - Qgqqqqq, Gazglum
Azza: 2 - Mattimeo, novice
zakalwe: 1 - Azza

[Qgqqqqq]

Lets look at Gazglum then.
Gazglums crusade for MJW has, rightly, garnered the most attention. He threw everything behind Matt being a wolf, and campaigned aggressively for that at the end. But thinking about it, I feel that's more a village Gazglum then a scumglum coming through - one of the things I remember missing from '25 was his strong convictions and pushes behind that, he felt more subdued and quiet. One of the things I think of with village Gaz is those strong convictions, like suiciding against BRick in WW20. And even if he was going to aggressively try to switch the result - which he must have known would be difficult with 10 mins before the lynch - it would've been easy to drop in some hedging, about how he suspected MJW anyway (which he did) but was stronger on matt, especially considering the best he could be hoping for was a tie which could've 50/50 flipped MJW anyway. So I think that fits him as village more then it fits with him scum.
Then there's the big input yesterday, where he again takes a strong read on someone as scum and does big meta and digging around that suspicion. Maybe its just me, but I just can't see him putting in so much effort that he knew would be wasted - extending it to Jkaen scumbuddies doesn't help lunch azarius, and nor would it help lynch Jkaen as obviously there won't be any connections between a village azarius and him to look at. So even if it wad questionable, I don't think that a) a scum would do it or b) that it fits with how I've seen him play scum before.

Jowy on the other hand placed a weak attack on MJW at the last minute, at exactly the time Id expect scum to join it, hasn't contributed much since mostly just getting into discussions about his play at the lynch and has been posting IMO rather scummily.
I would vote azza before Gazglum, but probably won't be on.

[Azarius]

That's how I remember it as well Novice. Are you saying you think Jowy is more scummy based on that?

[novice]

That's how I remember it as well Novice. Are you saying you think Jowy is more scummy based on that?

It's open to interpretation. Personally I'd say it makes him less likely to be scum.

[zakalwe]

Also Zak, fwiw, I also interpreted your comments to Azza as being related to Gazglum not MJW until you explained.

Well my point about Azza was that he doesn't tend to defend his scumbuddies when he's scum. So why would I make that point in relation to Gazglum?

I gave Azza a town point for our confused conversation because I imagined he'd know very well what I was talking about if he was scum, and his reaction didn't seem faked. On the other hand, that tally from day 1 that Novice posted is pretty damning. And Azza's vote is both an attack on Mattimeo and implicitly a defense of MJW, since he discredits Mattimeo's argument.

IIRC, Jowy and MJW were both pursuing Zak for his No lynch opening post at a time when nobody else seemed interested in that case.

They did, and I think this can probably be counted as a point in Jowy's favor, since it's a bit unlikely that they'd double up on me like that at a time that they really needed the votes to swing away from MJW. Though I'll need to reread it in context to say for sure.

I'll go with Azza, based on his voting record.

[Azarius]

I didn't think I could glean much from it one way or the other, but was curious what you felt.

I don't like like how Gazglum left the discussion at his last post. He always seems to have such a helpful nature, and I feel like a town Gazglum would have felt compelled to do a last will and testament type of post. Given a pretty strong chance of him hanging today, I would expect him to try and get as much of his views and feelings on things as possible assembled in a post to give the village info. The fact that he hasn't done something along these lines makes me think even more he is caught scum.