RBPB4 Email and Technical Issues

[Gold Ergo Sum]

So is this game officially over? I don't want to call it until I hear LP say he is OK with being declared the victor.

[SleepingMoogle]

So is this game officially over? I don't want to call it until I hear LP say he is OK with being declared the victor.

Fair enough. But yhat wouldn't require the rest of us to log in anymore, right?

Anyway, I'm happy to call it at this point.

[regoarrarr]

Fair enough. But yhat wouldn't require the rest of us to log in anymore, right?

Anyway, I'm happy to call it at this point.

We are fine either way. If we want to play on, we play on. If we want to call it and award the victory to the civ with the highest population as measured by the demographics, that's fine too

[Lord Parkin]

Well I'd prefer that we play on for at least a little bit, especially if at least one or two other people are still interested. For one thing, Luddite has a stack right on my border that he's obviously been itching to throw at me. (Maybe he already has, I haven't logged in since he played.) Plus surely other folks must be having at least some fun?

Locke, I don't quite understand why you give up the instant I declare war on you without even checking the situation in-game. Seriously, you haven't even bothered to log in this turn yet. If you actually check the game, the situation hardly as hopeless as you suggest.

I just think it's a shame that apparently the majority mindset around here is that as soon as it looks like there's one dominant civ, everyone else gives up on the game. That's not at all what I'm used to - with my regular gaming group, we almost always play through to the end regardless. Sure it's not as much fun for the folks not in first place (although they can still enjoy themselves)... but the point is that over the course of many games, most people will end up getting their turn in the hot seat. How would you feel if, when you finally got yourself into a really nice position in a game and it was your turn to shine, everyone else just gave up and quit? That's exactly why my regular group doesn't give up on games partway through.

I don't know, maybe my expectations are too high, but I would have hoped that playing more than 1-2 turns into a war wouldn't be so much of an issue for some.

[Adlain]

Well the split is:

Give LP the Victory:

• Locke
  
• Sleeping Moogle
  
• Plako (from UN thread in recent time)
  
• Gasper (if i read his intentions from his post above)
  

Carry on Playing:

• Lord Parkin
  
• Luddite (Wants to beat on Malkoti some more if it wasn't for those damn catapults)
  

Undecided:

• Mackoti
  
• Adlain
  

Judging by the fact myself and Mackoti are most likly in the weakest positions in this game (i know i am lol ) i don't think we have much of a say in the matter long term. So that's 4 for and 2 against giving LP the win

by that maths its time to call it - but the question is who gets that privilage.

[Lord Parkin]

For the record, it's Mackoti - not Malkoti. Just thought I'd point that out as you apparently made the same mistake twice.

[plako]

Well I'd prefer that we play on for at least a little bit, especially if at least one or two other people are still interested. For one thing, Luddite has a stack right on my border that he's obviously been itching to throw at me. (Maybe he already has, I haven't logged in since he played.) Plus surely other folks must be having at least some fun?

Locke, I don't quite understand why you give up the instant I declare war on you without even checking the situation in-game. Seriously, you haven't even bothered to log in this turn yet. If you actually check the game, the situation hardly as hopeless as you suggest.

I just think it's a shame that apparently the majority mindset around here is that as soon as it looks like there's one dominant civ, everyone else gives up on the game. That's not at all what I'm used to - with my regular gaming group, we almost always play through to the end regardless. Sure it's not as much fun for the folks not in first place (although they can still enjoy themselves)... but the point is that over the course of many games, most people will end up getting their turn in the hot seat. How would you feel if, when you finally got yourself into a really nice position in a game and it was your turn to shine, everyone else just gave up and quit? That's exactly why my regular group doesn't give up on games partway through.

I don't know, maybe my expectations are too high, but I would have hoped that playing more than 1-2 turns into a war wouldn't be so much of an issue for some.

I don't quite see the point in continuing. You've won and done it convincing way. This is exactly the situation where in my opinion the game should end. We've found who was the best and without a hope for catching up there is no need to continue. If I ever end up in a similar situation (highly unlikely ), I'll gladly accept the winner crown and leave it there. No need to humiliate the losers any further.

Nevertheless I've played and I'm ready to play as many turns as is felt nescessary.

[Adlain]

For the record, it's Mackoti - not Malkoti. Just thought I'd point that out as you apparently made the same mistake twice.

I dont know what your talking about - it clearly says Mackoti in my post now :neenernee

[Gaspar]

Well I'd prefer that we play on for at least a little bit, especially if at least one or two other people are still interested. For one thing, Luddite has a stack right on my border that he's obviously been itching to throw at me. (Maybe he already has, I haven't logged in since he played.) Plus surely other folks must be having at least some fun?

Locke, I don't quite understand why you give up the instant I declare war on you without even checking the situation in-game. Seriously, you haven't even bothered to log in this turn yet. If you actually check the game, the situation hardly as hopeless as you suggest.

I just think it's a shame that apparently the majority mindset around here is that as soon as it looks like there's one dominant civ, everyone else gives up on the game. That's not at all what I'm used to - with my regular gaming group, we almost always play through to the end regardless. Sure it's not as much fun for the folks not in first place (although they can still enjoy themselves)... but the point is that over the course of many games, most people will end up getting their turn in the hot seat. How would you feel if, when you finally got yourself into a really nice position in a game and it was your turn to shine, everyone else just gave up and quit? That's exactly why my regular group doesn't give up on games partway through.

I don't know, maybe my expectations are too high, but I would have hoped that playing more than 1-2 turns into a war wouldn't be so much of an issue for some.

I think your point is fair, and despite the fact that I feel the need to needle you at every possible opportunity, I actually have wrestled with this a bit. I think if there were any realistic chance that anyone could possibly one-up you at all, I'd say it were worth playing, so that you could enjoy the spoils of your deserved victory.

The problem is twofold - NOBODY thinks there's any chance you're not going to win going away. I think it particularly illustrative that Locke and plako, the clear 2nd and 3rd place Civs know they have no chance. So if we keep playing on, everyone, suitably demoralized, is going to play their C- game because they know the game doesn't matter. When you add to that things like a 36 hour turn timer at the moment due to war, Normal speed, and the fact that even as far out in front as you are, you're in a best case scenario, what, 2 months from a victory condition? Maybe less if we all just voted you victor in the UN to end it? So while I am in fact somewhat interested in letting you get to savor your victory, I don't see the point in having the rest of us essentially mash enter like zombies.

I get what you're saying about your "play group" but this isn't going to be a regular play group. These games also happen infrequently enough here that there's a lot of turnover from game to game, as some people move on from Civ and others come to the site - I think rego might be the only player from PB1 in this game (it happened while I was on hiatus from Civ myself so I could be wrong there.) Even PB3 which had something absurd like 30 players in one team or another, more players in this game didn't play in it than did.

Just my two cents, but my game experience will be over soon regardless of what everyone decides, so maybe its only worth 1 cent.

[Lord Parkin]

Well I don't know much about the "normal" turnover between games, but I for one certainly intend to play in future (Pitboss) games at this site. And I'm sure a whole bunch of folks will be keen to get a slice of revenge pie when that happens.

I understand it's not as much fun playing from a losing position, although it's still possible to make your own fun despite that situation. (I've lost enough times in the past to know it... in those situations I often focus my energy on various crazy objectives to keep myself amused.) But putting in a token effort is appreciated, even if it's only half assed. Giving up entirely on 6+ months worth of game after only 1-2 turns of war just seems a bit lame and disappointing.