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Ah, that's what happened last turn - Bob and I analysed the demographics to try and work out what Dreylin had done:

Irrelevant stuff, but interesting discussion:

Back to the game:

Top power is now 51,000, and he's grown another size. Ignoring some stupid unit-kill shenanigans, I'll assume he just got power from pop size, and has thus been building other things - maybe market? Despite what you thought, the fact that we didn't have a larger GNP earlier makes me think he might not have had it.

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Ignore both those questions, by the way.

Determined that North probably has top GNP (rocketed up after founding RoK, could be a coincidental Dreylin, but doubtful), Kragroth worst (increased slightly after FoL - not the right amount, but maybe he stopped working incense/known tech modifiers did screwy stuff/he didn't select a tech afterward), which leaves Dreylin as middling but slightly more than me. Largely just concluded that GNP is too nebulous a concept to get a real read from.

I'm reasonably confident I can get Drama (again, not changing anything to do so, and I'll be happy if I don't, but I feel like it's going to happen).

Oh and everyone's been getting their second ring score boosts. Not going to ever pay attention to score again from hereon in, however, because tech + pop + land is starting to get too complicated for me to be bothered with, but enough to confirm that people did found roughly where I talked about them founding.

By the by, in the spirit of getting drama ASAP, I'm going to sacrifice 2 commerce by connecting RR a turn late. That will allow me to only move units towards RR when covered by culture expansion, meaning that I can move two units to cover the settler going for CC, giving me just a bit more certainty that I'm not about to lose to a griffon out of the fog.

Because lurkers are lazy, reposting image from upthread:

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Azarius · January 31st, 2015, 22:52

How about a shot of the known world? Or barring that, an estimate as to how many cities you think you can fit into your side of the lizardman.

Qgqqqqq · January 31st, 2015, 23:43

Sure, I'll do so next time a turn comes in (been slow today frown

). We haven't explored much, of course.

Off the top of my head, maybe 20? Maybe more? Again, I haven't explored vast chunks of my land, but given I've no real motivation to bop the lizards until Ogres (as in, until I'm invading others' land), there's a good chance I choose to simply sail around them for ages instead.

#55 · February 1st, 2015, 01:24

20 is a good goal to shoot for by turn 100. As I believe I told you once or twice in chat, in my SP games I averaged just a little above 20 vs. Deity AI (on Highlands maps) by t100.

Qgqqqqq · February 1st, 2015, 01:41

I had what, 15-17 in our duel? Plenty of room for improvement, then. Of course, I did build TGLh, a bunch of low hammer island cities and a ton of wolf riders in that game.

I'll say though that 20 was a conservative estimate. Between islands and the much larger areas of this game, I wouldn't be surprised to get 30 or 40 cities before having to resort to war.

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Opened the turn to an event:

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That said, I likely wouldn't have accepted it anyway - 3 turns of GNP for an unlikely reward that won't be overpowering and I'm unlikely to redeem in the next 50 turns? No thanks.

After Drama, by the by, I plan on building an event fund of ~100 gold before starting on the next tech (likely Sailing). That opens up all the important GP events - Engineer (75g), Prophet (only available to me, and 50g), and the other one (isn't there one? I've totally forgotten).

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Bah, can't quite get a 1-turn 2 workers out here. Still, I might be able to get a 3-turn 4 workers out if I chop the plains hill - or failing that, I'll settle for "just" one worker a turn for the next 4 turns smile

Borders expand end of next turn, so this move is safe. Worker 2 finishes farm next turn and then moves to road to RR.

...ooooor I could move Worker 2 to road, and have one of the newly-built workers build the farm a turn later. That would give me one turn of working a bare forest. What's the yield breakdown, there?

Farm:
4/0/1 plus city tile.

Road:
2/1/3 (TR) plus city tile.

So 2f versus 1h 2c. Food probably still wins - pity I couldn't get out that worker a turn sooner, but eh well.

Demographics:

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No one grew.

The world so far:

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Yeah, I've explored practically nothing. I took those shots after ending turn, so I couldn't lay city signs. But solely in that area - leaving aside that I probably have that or half that again unexplored, I estimated roughly 17 cities. So yeah, 30-40 seems an accurate figure.

Azarius · February 2nd, 2015, 22:18

That is a good chunk of real estate you can spread to without hostilities. Works out pretty well for you being able to spam out settlers like mad.

As far as that event, I almost never take it myself. Inevitably it places the chest on the far side of the world, you pay upkeep on it for half the game, and it yields garbage when you finally get around to opening it.

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Planted cities 2 and 3 before any opponent managed 2 toast

Considered going monument in the southern city, but decided against it. Whilst I could get it out in time to shave a turn or two off Drama, it required a lot of commitment, doesn't save me too much time (like, max 2t) and costs forests and worker turns that could go into more useful endeavors. Drama would be incredibly, amazingly awesome. But not *that* much.

I just noticed whilst writing this that Kragroth has burned a turn on anarchy to revolt into FoL bang

as if he wasn't behind enough....

Scrolling back makes me certain it happened T23.

I don't know what Dreylin's doing with his production (well, I kinda do, I just don't know why), but I'm happy if he keeps it up:

As a civ that, tbh, gets more, not less, powerful with time, I'm very happy with those demos. I mean, Kragroth and North have (finally) started to grow (size 3 and 4 apiece), but I've beaten them all to two cities - indeed, I missed a turn on reporting, so I've beaten them by two turns - and none of them have chosen to grow vertically (Dreylin could be at least size 8 between vaults and Enchantment Mana, North could've used a cheap SPI temple, and so on). In other words, I'm just beating them handily in all categories, and I don't see them having any real advantage over me.

I have more cumulative population, and tied population in the boosted-capital. In addition, I have infrastructure out (warrens) which flat-out beats the maximum production boost of Vaults (which is the best infrastructure any opponent has - any other one I win by not caring about. EC/Market? Comes under GNP, but warrens is still better. PT/Dereptus? I don't want the happy yet. Any military building? I win by not needing to care about military) for everything but buildings, but buildings are sub-optimal in FFH anyways.
I'm winning handily in city and worker count, too. No-one else has city 2 out, and whilst they might have more workers (doubt it, I'm up to 6)...I have as many workers as I need.
I'm losing in soldiers...but I don't need early defense. Sure, enemies can get advantages this way (particularly Dreylin with SA hunters bringing in Griffons and early happy/culture) via high promos, lair clears and so on. But I think I can handle anything they manage to get to me for the next 50+ turns with minimal trouble, the lairs are well guarded and also cut off most inter-civ meetings, and at the end of the day, no benefit they could get out of the investment they're being forced to make could equal out to the cost of all the hammers they're pouring into it.
I'm winning handily and massively in early food and production, and that's just going to increase. Again, I have two more cities, one working a suboptimal tile and the other yet to be connected up - I've got more room than them to grow.
GNP. Now this is an interesting one. I would argue that despite losing and having been doing so for the majority of the game I've actually won out here as well, simply because my opponents have made bad investments with theirs. Kragroth and Northstar, investing sub-optimally into religion whilst I go for Drama/Festivals. Dreylin, investing into vaults which essentially converted vast swathes of gold into MFG and happy - despite which I've beaten or kept abreast in hammers most of the time, and he's been spending hammers on military which we haven't had to; and we've been the same size as him for yonks. Meanwhile I'm heading on a very directed path which holds more relevance and bearing on the early game expansion (cheapest source of culture, markets) and which will, quite likely, reward me with Sanitation.

I mean, I'm not saying I won't screw up/be outclassed later on. But thus far? I'd say I've out-and-out won the early game.

Qgqqqqq · February 3rd, 2015, 01:04

By the by, despite founding those cities costing me 6gpt, it's actually improved my bpt rate (by 2), even before connecting the second city up, and saved me a minimum 2 turns on Drama.

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