[SPOILERS] Team EggHeads: DMOC and TeddyKGB (Now Lurker-Friendly!)

[DMOC]

Draft msg to CareBears:

Hello Care Bears,

Congratulation on religion (T43) and 5th city on T50. Well played, sirs.

DMOC is very busy right now, so I'm (TeddyKGB) send this msg.

Our formal NAP is expired on T60. Would you be interested to prolong it till T75? T90? More?
Are you interested of talking about borders agreement between our teams?

Did you made contact contact with other teams except M&M?
We didn't.

Do you need any help to guide your scout around our borders?

Would you agree to fair exchange of screenshots?

All the best,

TeddyKGB, team EggHeads

Any corrections? Should I send it as is?

Looks fine to me. I would suggest prolonging the NAP to turn 90, but it's also fine to leave it ambiguous to them as to what date we would prefer.

[DMOC]

I didn't finish T51. Move a scout and 3 workers.

Need advice about CM/Stanford tiles, 4th worker and northern warrior.

- CM/Stanford tiles (food distribution between 2 cities):
Check this post and tell me what option you prefer. I'd like to go option2 here.

- Our northern worker and warrior action depends on question: do we want to get 1st chariot on T58 or T59 is ok as well?
If it T58 for chariot: we move worker outside our borders, he could be covered by warrior and there is India's scout in that area. Worker road GH close to city#4 location then come back and chop chariot on T58. Its not completely safe for Cow and Gold tiles, but its safe enough to gamble. If we want chariot on T58.
If we can delay chariot to T59 its safer for now. Worker will road plain tile inside our culture, continue to GHroad for city#4 connected and we could chop chariot by another worker on T59.

The turn timer was winding down so I played and put warrior and worker on the grass hill close to city 4 location. I didn't play the following turn, but for some reason put a warrior build in MIT's queue after the 5th worker was finished. We should switch it back to a sixth worker.

-Btw we have something like 20 more EP points on CareBears than we do with Care Bears. We should send both parties messages soon saying that we don't have much of a choice due to the few civs we've met, and we should switch to Care Bears until we meet Orgynized or another team. I can do that tomorrow morning if it's not done so already.

Notes:

Turn 50, Care Bears founded fifth city.
Turn 51, Maga/Asterix founded third city.

[TeddyKGB]

Thank you for playing turn, DMOC. Sorry, I couldn't login in time.

According to tech thread PB14 is down for now.

I did send diplo message to CareBears. I'm not sure we should put EP on them before we get answer.

Messages with Asterix, team M&M:

Maga Civ

12:05 AM (18 hours ago)

to me
Hi Teddy,

I do see Care Bears graphs, thanks. What I would be interested, though, is the screenshot from your current scout location, if possible. I am also interested in LP graphs, I could see them with just a couple EP. Since I am very concerned about Care Bears, I am putting all my EP on them . But If you would be willing to share graphs, I can keep an eye on Orgynized for you. As you probably know from all these EP you put on me, I should get writing still in 50s. I will try to get OB with India, too - I think they are far away from writing - this way we could get trade routes from them.

asterix & maga

Maga Civ

3:57 AM (14 hours ago)

to me
Hi,

do you have problems playing and need somebody to pause for you? It is less than 3 hours left on the timer, i cannot login to the game atm, but can post in the forums.

Asterix

Dick DMOC <dick76dmoc@gmail.com>

4:29 AM (14 hours ago)

to Maga
Thanks for the message. I played our turn.

Also our team will likely switch EP points back on Care Bears soon since we really have no choice, either you or them, and right now we'd rather the points be on them. We'll send some formal messages later.

Maga Civ

4:39 AM (13 hours ago)

to me
Hi, thanks for the info and I am glad you played the turn OK. I also think that monitoring Care Bears is a priority now and since they act the way they do they should not be surprised you put more EP on them . BTW, our NAP did not put any EP spending limit on me. You can also tell them that the amount of EP you have on me is ridiculous and is making me nervous - which is actually the truth .

As I said, if it is not a problem, screenshot from your current scout location would be very interesting for me.

Best,

Asterix

Maga Civ

5:53 AM (12 hours ago)

to me
Hi DMOC and Teddy,

there is one more thing I wanted to share with you, but please keep it completely confidential. You will surely meet Orgy Nized, your another neighbor, sooner or later. As you know, Lord Parkin has a reputation for being extremely good player and also for his ability of making diplo deals that turn up to be extremely profitable - for him - although they may seem the other way initially.

What Orgy Nized other neighbors - Native Americans (Suttree/Oxy) are telling me sounds rather concerning. They say that Orgy Nized forced them (?) as a part of their NAP to establish trade routes with Orgy at their cost and that their used repeatedly the argument (?) that Maga will not answer to their emails at that time as she was going through this difficult situation in her life. Anyways, they now have writing but based on their deals with Orgy will open borders only with them.

This is not a practical concern for me - for me open borders with you and Yuufo makes more sense and i will have Writing myself soon. Just wanted to give you heads up what you can expect from negotiating with Orgy Nized . The strange thing is that Native Americans keep saying that Lord Parkin was extremely nice to them but at the same time "forced them" to do many things they did not want to do(?).

Anyways, Yuufo is interested with Open Borders with us, based on my communications with him. He has so many cities that we will be both OK with Open Borders with each other even post currency. Lord Parkin is obviosly concerning just because his skill, MP experience and easy access to wonders but apparently he is also attempting to isolate the rest of us and deny us trade routes. It seemed that Native Americans had no idea how close to Writing I was - and definitely they have no info about you.

So what would you think about having our own free -trade zone of our three civ - and leave Orgy and their followers, Native Americans, to their own devices?

Lord Parkin's GNP is insane as it is anyway, I see no reason to contribute to it anymore, especially with their attitude of never doing anything that would not immediately benefit them. Please let me know and please keep the matter confidential.

As I said, Yuufo is willing to cooperate on that - so we could have land-trade routes going through him very soon. As you know, he is already very close to me, and just announced that his next city will be even closer . The only good think is that he is interested in establishing Trade routes, so there will be at least some silver lining in it for me. Having trade routes would allow us to exchange happiness and strategic resources, that will probably be very important on this map. BTW, have you seen any marble yet? I have not.

Cheers,

Asterix with Maga

Last one is interesting. I like this part: 'Lord Parkin was extremely nice to them but at the same time "forced them" to do many things they did not want to do(?).'
Can't wait contact LP.

[TeddyKGB]

Care Bears

8:57 AM (7 hours ago)

to me
Hi Teddy Bear,
Our only contact is with M&M on our East. We were trying to get our scout to your west to meet someone else but we encountered a lion and will likely be eaten by him... seems like your kind offer to guide our scout won't be necessary :-(
You are right to point that our NAP soon expires. From our point of view there is nothing that prevents us from extending it. Let's say T75 for a start?
Trading screenshots sounds good to us, as long as it's allowed by the game rules.

The Care Bears

[DMOC]

I sent back a response saying that we'll put our points on them. No screenshots yet; what do we want to send?

Dear Care Bars,

Thanks for offering to extend the NAP; we agree to an NAP that lasts until turn 75.

There's one more thing we would like to clarify. Right now, we've only met you and M&M, and we have put substantially more espionage points on M&M (I recall the difference is over 20 points now). In the interest of fairness, we're going to switch our points on you, and then hopefully do an even split of you and M&M until we finally get to meet Orgynized or another team. (Orgynized lost their starting scout, so we're going to have to send some units over to them.) Once we make contact with a third team, we'll put our points on them.

We are allowed to trade screenshots. We'll send you some in the near future.
Best,
DMOC

So official deals are:

NAP with Care Bears until Turn 75, Maga/Asterisk until Turn 90.

[TeddyKGB]

Hi EggHeads,
NAP until 75, we confirm.
Sure we can raise the amount of esp points we have on each other!
Which kind of screenshots are you willing to trade? inner land or surrounding areas? it goes without saying that these should be handled very confidentially ;-)
By the way since we get along well with each other we could give you an information if you agreed not to disclose it.
The Care Bears

And they avoid mention about borders agreement. As expected they are not interested.

We are probably could use some screenshots of the land between our capitals. But our and India scouts explore same tiles pretty much, I think. What screenshots could we offer to them in exchange? Land between us and LP?

We should agree to confidentiality and new information. Should be careful with M&M's confidental information, though. I'm not sure CareBears didn't knew whos other 2 teams here, but that was info we got from M&M.

Ask CareBears if they agree to OB and establishing trade routes in near future?

Ask CareBears if they aiming for Oracle and share our concerns about LP could be first to Oracle?

[DMOC]

Some stuff we might include in our next message (which should be longer than the previous ones we've sent):

1. Confirming their last message, i.e. we will have a NAP and can raise EP.
2. Requesting for Open Borders as soon as either one of us gets Writing first (this will probably be us).
3. Let's send them 2 screenshots: one south of Maga/Asterik (where our scout is) and one that covers the southern part of our empire (perhaps the icy regions). We can include a little bit of Stanford, but let's not show them the actualy city build or population.
4. Given that, let's ask them to send us 1 - 3 screenshots of their own.
5. Agree to their claim that if they give us information (e.g., screenshots, plans), we will not disclose it to other teams as long as they agree to return the favor.
6. Let them know that our plans in the next few turns are to (1) found cities 4 and 5 up to the north, and (2) research Writing to get a fast Great Scientist. In return, let's ask them if they have any specific wonder plans, or general goals, etc.

Let's not include the "border agreement" for now, since we really don't have a good idea of the land between us, and it's best for us if they expand towards Maga/Asterik.

[DMOC]

The game is back up.

Teddy, any chance you can play this turn and the next? I have an important application deadline due soon, and need to focus on it.

I'll still be around, though, and if the timer is almost out then I can log in and play.

[TeddyKGB]

Sure, I can play next turns.

T51 (before game down) one screenshot.

[TeddyKGB]

T52. Switch EP to CareBears (we need 3 more turns to see M&M's reseach).

Cities:

Vicky/India: Turns 28, 37, 42, 50
Pacal/NA: Turn 36, 43
Isabella/Inca: Turn 33, 46
Us: Turn 33, 50
M&M (Willem): Turn 38, 52
GG (Ragnar): Turn 38
Mansa/Zulu: Turn 38
Darius/England: Turn 39
Orgy (HC/Dutch): Turn 42
Pony (Nap/Sumeria): Turn 49