RBP4 [SPOILERS] - Shaka of Zulu (sunrise089, regoarrarr, and friends)

[regoarrarr]

Here's another odd thing I noticed



Not sure why WK has 2 workers farming a grass tile here. It seems very - my thought would be that a better move would be chopping both those forests to get out a monument to get that corn tile, or a granary (he's Exp/Chm so both of those buildings are nice)

Notice also the "other" iron that we can currently see.

This is also "Bob's Fork" - we'll be settling a city next turn on the tile just off the screen to the north (2N of the copper)

[Kylearan]

[OT] rego, you do get mails from Yucata.de that you're up in Stone Age, don't you?

[Nicolae Carpathia]

Slightly off topic: Hey Sunrise089, do you have any relation to a Milan89?

I ask because he just stomped me in a ffa with a gigantic stack of chariots and axes. And I thought I was doing so well! I counter-choked someone with my starting warrior and a skirmisher, finished them off with chariots, and managed to oracle civil service. Alas, I wasn't looking at my western front, and he completely blindsided me. Even my catapults couldn't make a real dent in his stacks.

[regoarrarr]

[OT] rego, you do get mails from Yucata.de that you're up in Stone Age, don't you?

I do get them but (I don't think?) I got or saw one for this current turn. I've played

[regoarrarr]

Sent an email to Adlain

hey Adlain!

It's been awhile since we talked and I've been meaning to drop you a note for awhile. But I saw that you had sent a missionary our way so it seemed like a good trigger to make sure I sent something!

If you wouldn't mind moving it on to the gems tile and then NW into our lands and gifting the missionary (rather than just spreading it yourself), that would be appreciated. We're not exactly sure where we want to make the spread yet.

The other reason that we wanted to drop you a note was about our eventual borders. I saw that you've settled a city in our direction (CEO's Doubt - though I just saw that it's blocked by a peak) and I know that you've got a couple of other cities starting to poke their way into Centralia. And your missionary has probably seen that we have settled a few (though not all) of our cities to our SE.

It may still be too early to form the final border agreement, but I thought it probably made sense to start having the discussions - so how far to your NW do you see as "yours"? I know that there's a lot of open land to your direct north also so I don't know if you plan to move in that direction primarily or not.

I should be around on chat off and on today

I took a picture but it must not have taken - he's got a Buddhist missionary headed our way - it's near our SE border right now

[regoarrarr]

Adlain responded

Hi Regoarrarr

It has been too long scince our last chat, How are things going??

I have moved the missionary as you requested, as for CEO`s Doubt, i consider that city firmly in my backline and not "In your direction" as you said due to the fact it is unreachable by yourself Via Land but is a mear few Tiles west of my Capital

As for Centrila, i agree it may be time to agree some broad idea of a Border agreement, My First Suddgestion is attached to this Email. I feel is is very much a workable solution, Giving yourselves plenty of room to broaden your empire in my general Direction without infinging too far on what i regard as my Potential Lands.

Please feel free to grab me on chat to disscuss this or anything else - if im showing as away, try anyways - sometimes i hear the thing and sometimes i wont .

Kind Regards,

Adlain

That is pretty close to where we wanted the border anyways, so that's good.

[regoarrarr]

I tried to get Adlain on chat but the timing didn't work out. We did get an email from Locke though

So we havent talked in a while and I thought I would send you message. :D How are you feeling about the game? We were lucky to get religion and that helped us alot. Needed Confu for happiness. I see you are getting lots of cities now. On coast for GL trade routes (?) I hope things are going better for you now. Sounded like start was tough.

One thing I suggest is that we send each other picture of minimap. We have a lot of map explored and I'm sure you do to. And since we are far away we probably have different parts of world explored. That would be good way to get map info. What do you think?

We were also wonderin if you had heard anything about alliances forming. We on good terms with neighbors but dont want to get 2 vs 1 later. I see that Parkin and WarriorKnight are trading resources for maybe they are allied (?) It is tough with teams we dont know very well and are faraway. Over here we have long NAPs with Adlain and Nakor. Pretty friendly with both. We are good friend with mackoti but he seems to be dying to luddite. Everyone in south is worried about plako.

So I guess I am fishing for info here LOL. But maybe we share info and help each other. I talk to you because you write back. Other teams dont say much in this game.

Locke

I do owe more of an in-game update which I'll try to get to at some point soon here

[regoarrarr]

Reply to Locke

Hi Locke!

You're right - we're always good for some talking! Congratulations on landing Confucianism - we had had some talks about maybe going for that, but I (apparently correctly) assumed that it would go long before we could get there. Adlain did send us a Buddhist missionary so we can convert to that if/when we want. Still only one city has it but maybe we'll get some spreads.

We are up to 8 cities now but we're still behind most folks now. We do have all of the cities on the coast at least so far, so that's nice. The problem is just because Civ is such a snowball game as I'm sure you know, it's tough to catch up. We do at least seem to be holding on our own on economy as we expand, which is nice.

I haven't heard anything about any types of alliances forming - hopefully they're not forming without us! I hadn't seen that WK and LP are trading resources that's good to know. We have a NAP at least with Lord Parkin so it's nice to have one border safer. We're starting to come south a little bit so we're getting close towards plako. I'm also worried about plako - you probably saw that he has Currency tech now and a GNP of 274!?!?! He told me he is building Wealth which I don't know why he's doing that unless his expansion has REALLY crashed his economy (certainly possible - what's he up to like 14 cities?)

Any other thoughts?

[regoarrarr]

Chat with Adlain about our border. The picture he sent halfway through is attached below. I think that we're going to go with something like this, though personally I think that he's unlikely to get some of those northern dots as Moogle will probably get there first.

I do plan on sending this over to Moogle because I'm a scheming jerk.

Adlain: Hi Regoarrarr
regoarrarr: hey !
good to get you finally
Adlain: aye
regoarrarr: what's going on?
Adlain: althouth i wasnt playing hide and seek i promise
regoarrarr: yeah
me either
it's been really crazy here at work
Adlain: what do you mean whats going on?? - im mostly trying to catch up on the Border agreement/ Disscussion from earlyer
i know the feeling
regoarrarr: oh just a greeting
what's happening
how's it going
what's going on
etc
Adlain: im getting 100x Pallets in at work atm when under normal cercumstances i normally get 20=30
regoarrarr: nice!
Adlain: *20-30
not too much atm, sorting out afew misstakes i made from earlyer on in the game (playing and not consentrating = BAD)
regoarrarr: yeah
i've noticed you're down in lastplaceia with us ;-)
Adlain: but all quiet down here atmm
i thought i would keep you company
regoarrarr: right
i appreciate it!
Adlain: ill be triggering a new turn in a min - just to let you know
regoarrarr: no prob
i can't play for a few hours yet anyways
Sent at 13:41 on Wednesday
Adlain: hmm - im getting a black screen when im logging on :?
it says finishing - but it wont start up the actual game
regoarrarr: hmm
Sent at 13:47 on Wednesday
Adlain: http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll305...Image1.jpg <-- what the screen looks like
regoarrarr: yeah i'm not sure
did you close civ and try again?
Adlain: yup
regoarrarr: i'd post in the IT thread
Adlain: blast it
Sent at 13:51 on Wednesday
Adlain: im in :d
Plako managed to log in after 5 min waiting at the finishing screen and it seems to have kicked the system into gear again
Sent at 14:13 on Wednesday
regoarrarr: nice
so let me know when you want to talk about our border / the pic you sent
Adlain: whenever your ready
regoarrarr: ok
so the basic idea i think is about what we were thinking
the only problem is that a lot of the land that you shaded as "ours" is really going to go ot sleeping moogle
Adlain: hmm
much further south and your right on top og my Capital tbh
regoarrarr: yeah i know
what about the land to the east?
like directly north from you
who's going to get that?
Adlain: tbh - Locke has a Strong Claim iirc
i have not negotiated that much about it - its just there
regoarrarr: yeah
that's going to be a lot of land!
especially if mackoti is not going to be in any position to grab any
Adlain: true - but i have to think whats a) defendable and b) reasonable reg Economy and that area i have shaded red Fits Both
and if im honest - im being quite Generous land quanity wise imho
regoarrarr: i agree
if i was able to gt all the red land
excuse me blue
Adlain: Red Mine!!!

regoarrarr:
right
as it stands sleepingmoogle is likely to get everything north of say the rice tile
but that's fine
like you said i can't really go much further SE anyways without really encroaching on you
Adlain: hmm - has he settled that area much already??
regoarrarr: yes
brb
Adlain: or are you in similer disscussions with him
ahh
regoarrarr: ok
do you see the cow tile on the top line of your pic?
Adlain: Yup
regoarrarr: he has a city there
as well as one further east
Adlain: right
regoarrarr: not sure of the exact location
Adlain: i assume thats a claim on the copper there
regoarrarr: might be
i don't have visibility on exactly where it is
okay so first
let me give you the terminology i "named" this area ;-)
it's "the five fingers"
referring to the 5 narrow strips between our lands and yours
Adlain: k
regoarrarr: 1. rice/spice, 2. southern ivory, 3. northern ivory, 4. copper, 5. pig
so what do you think about this - would you be okay if we settled our border city on say the tile 1N or 1NE of the peak tile near the first finger
as well as allowing us to take the southern ivory
(possibly with the same city)
then you can have the northern ivory and whatever else you can get from moogle / mackoti / locke?
Adlain: 2 secs - just thinking
regoarrarr: i think that our next steps, now that we've roughly figured out the bordres
is to figure out exact city spots
so we can ensure m inimial culture crushing
Adlain: thats what im thinking about
Sent at 14:32 on Wednesday
Adlain: http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll305...creen2.jpg hows that
regoarrarr: blue dot is our city?
Adlain: yes
regoarrarr: what's the red dot on the rice and ivory?
Adlain: ignore that
regoarrarr: ok
Adlain: i forgot to delete them
regoarrarr: ok
Adlain: hopefuly - with eachothers cities so far away we wont encroch on eachothers Claims for the Ivory
Sent at 14:37 on Wednesday
regoarrarr: a couple of weeks ago i was trying to figure out a way that you could plant cities or forts to make a canal all the way through here
i don't think it's possible though
(or even useful)
but it was funny to try
Adlain: hehe
i have plans for one such waterway - but nothing done about it yet
regoarrarr: yeah
so here's my concerns
the ivory is not in the bfc of the city
Adlain: same for both of us
regoarrarr: that would make me potentially want to move my city 1E
but then i'm stealing "your" spices
Adlain: if it was not a happy souce, it wouldnt be a problem
regoarrarr: do you have other spices?
Adlain: no
regoarrarr: would you be willing to have us do a permagift of spices if we settled there?
honestly i'm just throwing out ideas hre
i'm not sure we'd even want to move it 1E
as that's off the coast
Adlain: i weary as it also hamstrings some of my options with the rest of my land
i have to run - door bell -be back later

[regoarrarr]

Chat witih plako

9:45 AM me: hi
9:49 AM plako: hi
9 minutes
9:59 AM me: hi
sorry had tos tep away
plako: np
me: i was wondering if you'd allow your warrior to skip through your lands near Kiss
as he's trapped
just wanted to get him back towards bob's fork
10:00 AM and lord parkin won't open borders with us ;-(
plako: . You didn't even let me go trough areas that weren't under your control
10:01 AM I trust we've NAP as long as your troops are going through
There is another warrior in the east
*west
me: another of mine?
plako: yeah
me: yeah
10:02 AM i think (not at teh map) that he can go through nakor's lands
plako: I've some work to do with my worker
10:03 AM And your warriors could be in position to do some damage
me: ok
how about 10 turn nap in exchange for access to the other side fo the map?
10:04 AM plako: Alright
Do you want to discuss about our border
me: sure
though i'm not at the map currently
plako: I'd like to settle the cows near the fork
10:05 AM me: but i can talk generally
let me see if i can find a picture
wow so that's claiming the whole of that section?
the cows 2SW of the copper?
10:06 AM plako: yeah. You've already came south of the jungle i.e. our side
me: is that the generally held dividing line?
plako: That is mythough
10:07 AM me: at one point we figured out how tall the map is
do you know?
plako: I've sen both ends, but haven't counted
10:08 AM But I would be surprised if there would be difference between south and north
me: ok
10:10 AM plako: You've also plenty of jungle to settle in the east . Lot of resources. Compared to the block west from the fork there are just couple of pigs and copper
me: so you're proposing that we settle no further cities in the south?
plako: Well you could go south towards WK
I wouödn't mind
10:11 AM me: heh
i'm sure he might have something to say about that ;-)
plako: probably ,)
me: so how many cities do you think you'll end up with (peacefully)?
and yes there is jungle to our east, but adlain and sleeping moogle also want a peace fo that
10:12 AM plako: Sure, but I doubt it all belongs to them when you've already couple of cities close by
10:13 AM I've few not that great place left behind that might wait Biology or Corporations. But generally I think there is room for ~5 cities that don't steal food from other cities
10:14 AM How about you?
10:15 AM me: yeah i think maybe up to 20 also
but that's more than 5 additional ones for me ;-)
okay i have to run for a mtg
i'll be back in a few and we can continue
10:16 AM plako: ok cya
10:17 AM I could sell you Settlers, when our borderes get a bit closer, if you're intrested

He wants to settle all the land SW of Bob's Fork