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Chat with Lord Parkin where we talk plako boycott as well as potential trade missions
Quote:Lord: Got your mail
me:: cool
Lord: Yeah, I was trying to chat yesterday about Locke's plan
me:: ah ok
Lord: I'm interested to hear your view, since you're the only one who didn't broadcast your opinion publicly
me:: oh it's basically what i said in my email to you
i responded first i guess
Lord: I'm obviously slightly concerned about being seen as a hypocrite, yeah. In Locke's earlier chats with me he seemed confident I'm a long way behind Plako. Lately I'm not so sure.
me:: didn't realize everyone was going to reply to all
Lord: ah, ok
I did find something of interest while browsing Wikipedia the other day, which seems to sort-of apply to this situation :P
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abilene_paradox
Basically, only Locke and WarriorKnight seem to be really keen on this whole idea
me:: interesting
Lord: Everyone else seems a bit lukewarm with reservations for one reason or another
But ironically, we might all get pulled into it anyway if enough people set a precident, just because the others don't want to be seen as "rocking the boat"
just looking at it from a psychological angle 
me:: sure
looks like it won't matter anyways as adlain is apparently against it
and mackoti hasn't responded
and if the 2 of them don't close borders there's no point in ther est of us doing so
Lord: Adlain? Have you chatted to him or something?
me:: just from locke's email
last email
Lord: I didn't see a response from him
ok
I should read closer
As for the Great Merchant, I'm not 100% sure of the formula but I think you'd get quite a few hundred extra gold from my capital than anywhere else, right? Because of size as much as ToA.
me:: no i don't think so
it's just based on the trade route value
which is 2gpt for every city (i think)
except 3-4 gpt for yours
Lord: well it's increased with ToA
me:: there was a thread somewhere that explained it but i'd have to look at the link
right it's 100% but it's already at 100-150 for our peace bonus
Lord: and as size increases there are certain points where trade route gold increases
right, but no other people will have 3-4+ gold per trade route
me:: right
Lord: I'll set up a rough test to check it, but I'm pretty sure there's a substantial benefit you'll get from sending him to the ToA city rather than any other. Otherwise you wouldn't ask, right?
me:: we could quibble on what "substantial" is
but yes
Lord: Well, I guess the best thing to do is to wait until I've set up a test game so I can conclusively see what the difference would be
me:: ok
Lord: But I'm sure it'll be something of significance
At least 100-200 gold, surely
beyond the next-highest possibility
me:: let's say 200
Lord: there's also the "ease of use" factor
you don't have to go halfway around the world on a potentially me:gerous trek
Well, I'll check in the test later today, but I'd expect it to be at least that
Anyway, it just seems reasonable to figure out some kind of compensation... splitting the difference seems like it might be the fairest way. That way we both win from a deal. 
But yeah, I'll have a check and see how much extra it would really be worth
Don't want to go overcharging you
I could also work out some arrangement to grow my city as fast as possible to hopefully increase the yield slightly
I'd probably also be keen to tie it in with some other deal, like a NAP extension to increase the chance you can return the favour later
(i.e. if we get a Great Merchant, which we might with ToA, then we could send him your way with your 4 trade routes per city - also of course splitting the difference, as would be fair. 0
afk a bit
me:: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread...047&page=4 is the link i think
it won't matter that i have 4 trs per city
Lord: Not sure which post in particular you're referring to
Really? I was pretty sure GLH increased Merchant yields
GLH+Harbour even more
me:: it's all about what a trade route with the destination city would get in my capital
if i have a merchant, in your city
the yield is based on what a (hypothetical) trade route with your city would be worth in my capital
Lord: Ah, I see
Sent at 16:15 on Tuesday
Lord: Well, I'll check it out anyway
me:: ok
Lord: It would certainly be safer for me to send a Merchant directly to you rather than across other borders anyway
me:: so i'm not opposed to some sort of compensation (though of course i'd be okay with none ;-) )
Lord: hehe
me:: but at some point in the talks about amount of compensation
i'm going to decide that i'd rather not help out one of the people in firstish place and just take less money elsewhere
ya know?
Lord: Fair enough
I'm fine with that, if you'd prefer that
Certainly not going to hold it against you if you look elsewhere
me:: do you have a galley in our sea?
Lord: Nope, not yet
Will do at some stage soon though
Why do you ask?
me:: well one of us will need one to transport the merchant
right?
Lord: Can you transport on other peoples' boats though? Thought that was only possible in teams?
I guess the boat can be gifted back and forth
me:: right
Lord: although that requires OB
me:: you have to gift it
well a trade mission does too, right?
Lord: I thought I read somewhere that Great Merchants can move through borders regardless...
But I might be wrong
me:: well the galley would need OBs
no matter whose galley it is
Lord: yeah
well I'm sure we could work something out
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Krill Wrote:Screenshot of F1, F5, and F9 demos please?
This needs to be a group decision!
(Read: Lets me pout about the thread title some more)
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sunrise089 Wrote:(Read: Lets me pout about the thread title some more)
Ok, I've been curious about the thread title complaint - how is it even possible for Krill to change it? Or am I missing a joke?
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scooter Wrote:Ok, I've been curious about the thread title complaint - how is it even possible for Krill to change it? Or am I missing a joke?
As best I can tell Krill bears no responsibility, so assuming he's being honest then it's a joke and probably only funny to me. I originally thought Krill was partially responsible because he defended the name change.
I keep bringing it up though because I'm convinced I have a point - past pitboss games used RBP, at least alongside RBPB and IMHO more commonly. For whatever reason someone changed my title without consent and then didn't change it back despite many requests. I plan to keep griping about it at least in this subforum through the end of the game.
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What we need to do is a post count of sunrise's posts in this thread that deal with the thread title compared to posts with actual game title. I'd suggest we do that, but I'm worried about what a similar on-topic probe might do if they tried it out on MY posts! 
Got an email from Locke
Quote:Congrats on your new Merchant! So are you going to lightbub something or use for trade visit to one of us? :D
Locke
I replied with
Quote:Thanks! Still not sure what we're going to do with him - we've got all of the various options still on the table. Unfortunately for the trade mission, it isn't worth a whole lot here still in the early game.
Too bad about the plako boycott falling through :-( - I'm worried that WK is about to get stomped
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Email from moogle
Quote:The vibe I'm getting from the responses to the boycot proposal so far is lukewarm at best. Unless there's some real change in attitude soon, I don't think there's enough goodwill for us to close the borders and potentially make an enemy of plako in the process. And as you mentioned, all we'd really do is make Lord Parkin the next person to sever connections with, etc etc.
Anyway, it's interesting to know Adlain's being free with contested land without having contacted me about it. I suppose it doesn't make me feel too bad that we'll be taking it in the near future. :-) While I had to take a short breather before over-expansion would completely tank my economy, I'm almost ready to start expanding again and blocking off Adlain will be the priority at that point. Mackoti was willing to offer a very sweet deal to guarantee my neutrality in his war against luddite, so I'm not too concerned about the east as long as those two are warring against each other. The south may turn out to be far more volatile and offer more possibilities for the co-op. :-)
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sunrise089 Wrote:As best I can tell Krill bears no responsibility, so assuming he's being honest then it's a joke and probably only funny to me. I originally thought Krill was partially responsible because he defended the name change.
I keep bringing it up though because I'm convinced I have a point - past pitboss games used RBP, at least alongside RBPB and IMHO more commonly. For whatever reason someone changed my title without consent and then didn't change it back despite many requests. I plan to keep griping about it at least in this subforum through the end of the game.
The only person who could've done it was Sullla (Krill and GES have never had mod powers, but Sullla has)... Unless Gris or KoP popped in and did it for whatever reason. My pet theory has always been that you made a typo when you created the thread.
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scooter Wrote:My pet theory has always been that you made a typo when you created the thread.
This is so funny it has to be true !
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Reply to Moogle
Quote:Yup it looks like indeed the boycott plako proposal is not going to happen. I guess that's for the best (maybe?)
As far as our borders go, did we ever decide anything about your city east of our city of Columbia? What about a city near the southern ivory "finger"? I believe that we had agreed that we'd take the southern 2 fingers and you'd have the other 3, but I'm not sure we exactly figured out where our respective cities would go. I'm sure we can work something out but just wanted to kind of keep it out in the open so we didn't forget about it.
Do you have plans for religion of any sort? Adlain did send a Buddhist missionary our way. I'd like to found a religion but a) I don't know that we can get one any time soon and b) I don't know if or when I could get a Great Prophet anyways. Of course there is option c) which is "capture the city that has (will have at some point?) the Mahabodhi  :-)
So while pondering how a potential war vs. Adlain might play out, I thought of a medeival war with knights and musketeers? Then I wondered what your relationship was with Locke? He seems to be getting along well with us, and while my scout is exploring in Adlain's lands I see that they are already bordering. As I'm sure you know, any war has to be a true dogpile if it's going to work at all. So it may make sense to bring him in as a way to split up some of Adlain's lands at some point? We provide the 2 mover quick stack while he has the 1 move hammer stack.
Dunno - this is probably 50+ turns in the future but thought I'd bring it up. I'm not sure if there's any concrete steps that we can take right now, other than continuing to push the border south and east. We'll be settling a city on the south coast here in a few turns and have another 2 cities that have to go further east from that till we get over to Adlain's borders. We'll continue to focus on that as well as general economy and such.
Any other thoughts?
I think I'm going to aim to solve our religious problems by taking out Adlain at some point.
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