[Spoilers] Old Human Tourist: Empress of Azteca

[Fintourist]

Looking back on turn 123 Dental Plan only had 20% culture, so it's possible that capturing Boo-urns gives us freedom to move on the hills to the west of the city and hit a recapture force. Speculating is a bit pointless before we know what Azza is up to though.

Yeah, you are correct, DP very likely still has "only" 2nd ring borders. And yup, hard to say what Azza will do and I don't even know what I hope him to do. If Azza stays put it makes consolidating of course easy and eventually we will be able to finish him. If he does something aggressive it might create a puzzle, but also provide an opportunity to absolutely crush him and win the war immediately.

I have no idea who is suddenly going to break from the pack to launch the Liberalism race, but we could Lib Economics to kill two birds with one stone...

I doubt we are quite in a position to pull that off as we are not really beelining anything in a 33-player game, but let's see how the world looks in 10 turns.

Overall I'm thinking much along the same lines you wrote.

[Jowy]

Did I miss any other scenarios?

"The Oxjowy"
Azza spitefully keeps all forces poised against Mardoc and hands you the game.

When did Jowy do that?

Never. I wish ignore list worked on quotes, so that I wouldn't have to read even snippets of bullshit that spews out of Commodore's mouth.

[Fintourist]

Did I miss any other scenarios?

"The Oxjowy"
Azza spitefully keeps all forces poised against Mardoc and hands you the game.

When did Jowy do that?

Never. I wish ignore list worked on quotes, so that I wouldn't have to read even snippets of bullshit that spews out of Commodore's mouth.

Did oxy then maybe do something like that in a game with you? Not that I absolutely need to know what was referred there, but these kind of metagame situations tend to include a decent amount of

[Commodore]

Did I miss any other scenarios?

"The Oxjowy"
Azza spitefully keeps all forces poised against Mardoc and hands you the game.

When did Jowy do that?

Never. I wish ignore list worked on quotes, so that I wouldn't have to read even snippets of bullshit that spews out of Commodore's mouth.

It's a combo, the poised on one end while the invader runs rampant is obviously the first part, the locked in a spiteful hate-war that he started the second.

[retep]

I think I already said that you could win the Economic race and I obviously never wrong.

Except for the map type

[Old Harry]

Yeah, but which turn will we win it retep?

Azza played a ten minute turn, which is pretty good for us . Also before folks start bitching about his defense (rb's latest and least pleasant meme) he's been stuck between us and mardoc all game so never had a chance due to not having back lines like we both do. And it was probably all he could do to keep up with mardoc's military on the other border so he didn't have much to spare for peaceful old us.

[Fintourist]

Azza played a ten minute turn, which is pretty good for us . Also before folks start bitching about his defense (rb's latest and least pleasant meme) he's been stuck between us and mardoc all game so never had a chance due to not having back lines like we both do. And it was probably all he could do to keep up with mardoc's military on the other border so he didn't have much to spare for peaceful old us.

This is all still pretty speculative as Azza might be moving his forces towards us (I did not do any scouting moves this turn yet) as the war just started and it is fairly natural that most of his forces where originally located at the vulnerable border city next to a neighbor who has attacked him twice. But if Azza just keeps everything in Dental Plan then this is pretty much the same case as our PB13 situation with suttree and mackoti. There suttree kept everything at our border and mackoti got his cities for free. Consequently, if this is the case, I totally would understand if Mardoc would be extremely frustrated about it, but if the lurkers react in a same way as in PB13, then lurker thread probably fills with posts that describe Mardoc as a stupid whiner, who invited trouble with his aggressive play.

Btw, I checked the F4 screen and dtay's WW towards Whosit was ridiculously low, I think something like 30 % smaller than ours towards Azza. It seems that CH is doing all the heavy lifting there and keeps Whosit busy while dtay is getting new land even easier than we do. Well, at least we are more or less keeping up with our attack so let's see how we, dtay and other contenders manage to improve our position further. CH+Whosit combo possibly offers even a better path to more land for dtay than our Azza+Mardoc attempt, but proximity of krill+novice and aggressive border with pindicator hopefully slow him down.

[Ceiliazul]

Good posts guys. You did a good job of keeping your wits about you in 13, I hope you get the good side of a dogpile as a reward this time.

[Old Harry]

Thanks Ceil!

May have difficulty playing turn before turn roll due to a bitch of a turn split with 4 people. May need pause.

Why on earth did you make a four way turn split mr 24-hours-is-plenty?

Turn 130

We can put four Knights and seven Horse Archers in range of Boo-urns this turn. He'll have a spear, a Welly, two Cats and a warrior. Then possibly the stack from Dental Plan. After a lot of umming an ahing we ended up holding off until next turn when we'll have nine knights, some of whom will get odds on the Welly and Spear.


Our whip unhappy is getting ridiculous in several places, getting war weariness on top could be problematic for us. We should whip some MP longbows . Pindicator has a duplicate dye, we don't have anything to offer him for it just yet but we'll hook wine in about six turns.


Other random notes:
- We now have a Morale super medic.
- Xenu (1000 gold) and BGN (700 gold) could both be saving cash for a lib run.
- We offered Cheater Hater our spare iron free of charge this turn. Mostly so that he's got something if dtay or Whosit cut his copper, but partly so he'll wonder why we're worrying about him and start to think about dtay's army and stop wasting his resources attacking Whosit. I'm not confident he'll realise.

Demos and power

[TheHumanHydra]

Remember you can always offer Pindicator gold for the dyes; might be worth it.