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[SPOILERS] Washington of Greece

Quote:Hey there. This email going to all teams in game except plako. This is gonna sound kinda weird but hear me out. We are all losing to plako. Some doing better than others but all losing. You all see his GNP graph spikes. He has 14 cities and most food and most production and most GNP. If we do nothing he just outtech us and eventually kill us. WarriorKnight first and then the rest of us. That is bad result.

So what do we do? Most teams are way far away cant go to war. Also I think war coalition has been tried in other games and it doesnt work well. Because someone doesnt send units and then they get ahead while everyone else fighting. But there is something else we can do. plako has Currency tech. He is running economy off foreign trade routes in 14 cities. That is 28 trade routes to other civs. If we all CLOSE BORDERS with plako, he lose all them at once and economy crashes. It is a lot of income will hurt him a lot. So I want ask everyone to join together and close borders together with plako. Has to be everyone though. This will not work if only some of us do it. It is in eveyones interest to close borders with him. Even if you are friends with plako. We need to present united front. This is peaceful boycott as a group.

Some of us have units in plako borders. We do right now. So if we do this it should be together on turn 110. Give time for units to move through plako borders.

So tell me what you think. I think it is best way for us to slow down runaway. It is easy and you dont have to do anything. Just click to cancel OB. If we all do it together plako cant get mad at any one team. You will still have plenty of foreign trade routes OB from other civs. We need EVERYONE in on this. Lets do this. :D

Locke

PS Please dont say anything to plako. Even if you are friends theres no reason to help him win easier.

Well I guess doing something about plako is better than nothing right? Sadly it won't be able to slow him down much even if everyone does get on board, and military support is what is really needed to slow him down.

At least I don't have to do anything since I never had OB with plako. smile
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Got in a chat with luddite. He wanted to discuss the embargo a bit. I'm probably the most biast about the embargo but I tried talking honestly for some reason.

One important thing he mentioned:

Quote:he (plako) told me that he was worried you might try to attack him

Wait, does that mean he's not going to attack me? jive

Still I don't entirely trust that he won't try anything, but I doubt he's going to invade me now. Of course, it means nothing if I can't take anything from him and he attacks me later with advanced units, but at least I have a slightly longer life span than expected.
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plako came to me today asking for a NAP. Figure it's important enough to post:

Quote:plako: Hi
me: hi plako
plako: wink long time no talking
16:51 So T110 is approaching
16:52 Are you intrested in continuing it or do you prefer without?
Meaning NAP wink
I see you've built some military and I've tried to keep up with that
16:53 me: sorry, afk, be back in 5 min or so
plako: ok
17:04 me: back
sorry, underestimated the time it would take
17:05 plako: np
me: so anyway...
plako: I appreciate it
17:06 me: right now, im going to have to say no to just a plain NAP
plako: So what else would be needed?
17:08 me: im not sure at the moment, i realise that our lack of communication was no accident, and since you have twice as many cities as me its only a matter of time before you come knocking again
17:09 not to mention that sparta is still a sensitive subject amongst our people
plako: Sure I understand.
17:11 Well I hope there is something reasonable that would make it worthwhile to both of us
17:12 We can continue buiding up military
You'll dfinately slow me down
So players like Lord Parkin get ahead
17:13 But I understand that might be your goal
17:14 wink
me: smile
17:15 plako: Our dela wouldn't be dirctly out from LP's pocket
*deal
17:16 me: what turn is it? t106 or something?
plako: yes
me: ok
17:17 im not saying i wont sign a nap, i just need some sort of consession for a nap to be worth my while
17:18 plako: I understand I'm ready to give somehing
me: what exactly? well I haven't thought about it much tbh
17:20 there's still a couple of turns before our nap runs out, if you make an offer (like a settler or two or something like that, i dont know what you can offer yet), ill think about it and get back to you
plako: Settler?
Cross-post
I could provide a settler
17:21 me: hmmm, let me play the turn and ill get back to you
plako: one more thing. I'd like to keep this secret
Is that alright
17:23 i.e. no telling to others and playing it like we had a cold war going
me: well, a cold war would require us to declare, otherwise it wouldnt really be a cold war
17:24 plako: I mean building units, but not actual war
Balance
17:25 me: dunno about that, you can build them quicker and will probably be able to support them easier
17:26 plako: yeah. No actual militray building. Just telling we're cautious towards each other
17:28 me: ill get back to you when i play the turn
plako: ok
14 minutes
17:43 me: im back
after looking at my situation
one settler wont be enough
17:44 im not sure how much your willing to give, but ive been focusing on this for a while now, and one settler wont be enough to make up for it
17:48 plako: Well it is a package obvivously. Some of my thoughts: NAP T150, No telling to others, new border agreement - land bridge in the north need to be sorted out
17:49 Rego has blocked your access there
me: none of those things really appeal to me
plako: wink so what would make them appeling
17:50 longer/shorter NAP
me: granted, i am asking for a consession off you, but still...
plako: You want to go public?
17:51 me: i have a feeling that what will make it worthwhile to me to keep those conditions will probably be more than your willing to pay unfortunately
maybe if you came to me earlier than 4 turns left in our nap...
17:52 plako: I understand so building military is the way then
me: seems like it
17:53 plako: ok. cya in the battle field then
me: cool

So it's official, we're going to war. Since it was going to happen anyway, I'm glad it's now. I might have a chance to enjoy technological equality for a bit. If I die, well that was inevitable anyway but at least I have a bit of revenge before I go. But I'm not agreeing to sign a NAP 4 turns before it expires after it took me 10 turns to get HBR and more to build some HA's.
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Well I've declared on plako now, and am currently ahead on the number of kills by killing a warrior he tried to send to my backlines. I wonder how long I'll stay ahead for.
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I know you're (presumably) the underdog but...
What are your main objectives? What odds do you think you have of reaching them?
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Can someone tell me if 'until' means the same thing as 'up to and including'? plako's claiming that the two are the same thing, thus I have broken the NAP, whereas I claim the opposite. (if it turns out I'm wrong and I have broken the NAP, then for future reference I have misunderstood the meaning of the word 'until' and will not make that mistake again with NAP's).

Ellimist Wrote:I know you're (presumably) the underdog but...
What are your main objectives? What odds do you think you have of reaching them?

Ideally or realistically? lol

Ideally, my goal would be to take a city or two. Realisticially, I probably won't be able to do anything other than maybe pillage a couple of tiles, and thus my goal is to try and slow him down as much as possible. I'd personally like nothing more than to be rid of this game (playing from last place with only half your land loses it's fun quickly) but to be fair on the other players I'll play out of it as best I can.
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It is hard for me to tell, but if you declared T110, then I believe you were in compliance with your NAP, not that an NAP is enforceable outside of the honor system anyway.
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Depends whether it's "until T110 ... starts" or "until T110 ... ends".

But normally I would say the former. For example, if I said I was giving up beer until Tuesday, my last day without beer would be Monday, although that's not a perfect example because I doubt I would start drinking at 12.01am... lol But when I woke, I would feel I could drink and not break my promise.
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The NAP wasn't explicit, so either interpretation is valid --> The NAP wasn't broken, because you followed a valid interpretation of the language.

This is why some players are very careful to get "inclusive" or "exclusive" into their NAPs.
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Cyneheard Wrote:The NAP wasn't broken, because you followed a valid interpretation of the language.

+1
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