CM: 2sci there is a good option. I'm thinking lib in CM will benefit us mostly because 25% bonus to beakers once we are ready to turn slider to 100%. With 2 sci in CM, city could be configured at size 5: fish+deer+cottage+2sci, for total: (14+6)*1.25 = 25 bpt at 100% slider. +3fpt and possible Settler slow build allow us prepaire for next whip around T75 or simply stop whipping CM for now.
MIT will keep pigs and GHmine to grow size5 and could 2pop whip something and fast regrow to size4 with pigs again.
Usually I dont like farm 1st early GS in capital, but maybe here its better this way.
MIT: See above. We probably want another worker soon, and we can 5>3 slave settler in MIT as an option. Another option is an Axe (not sure we'll need Spear before T90, depends on how fast India research AH). Our copper will be connected soonish.
Stanford: 2 turn for chariot in case of emergency. I think we should move 1st chariot in copper direction right now. Next turn we'll have worker on copper. We have kinda good protection net of warriors but there is a small chance barb could appear close to gold, I think. Although, like you are, I'd prefer 3 turn for chariot, or even stop producing it one turn from complition to avoid additional unit costs.
Berkley: We should be able to grow UC pretty fast. Maybe even complete GHmine before wheat, so UC at size3 produce +4fpt, +7hpt. Obv wheat is a better tile, but GH kinda on the way to it.
Cornell: Probably start with Granary anyway. I'm not sure about it yet. Granary at size1 could be worse than at size2, we had to test it. Another problem, India could plant their next city with stone in 1st ring before T66 even. Yuufo said they are planning to grow now, but its hard to stop when you on such expansion rush.
Worker: 3 for UC needed to improve corn next turn after borders pop. All 3 needed if we want Horses pastured on T66 (same turn UC grow to size2).
Southern worker could next: move 3 tiles via roads and complete chop into CM library. After that he could cottage 1W (overlapped CM/MIT tile) or farm 1NW (MIT tile).
SutOxy should be close to 4th granary by now, imo.
I'll post some screenshots about units. Only moved workers and warrior near LP so far.
-That's a good configuration for CM, and it'll get better if we can get an academy there.
-I would avoid whipping MIT unless we keep providing it with the pigs, since it grows too slowly withotu it.
-Stanford: I'm still not seeing the benefit of getting a chariot 1 turn earlier. We're already safe from barbs atm (Berkeley has 2 warriors fog busting, Stanford has 1, and MIT and CM are protected by water) so let's grow the city faster.
-Berkeley: Yeah, I've been thinking that the grass mine is better to start with the (unirrigated) wheat.
-Cornell: only 2 options i see now are granary or library. Let's think about what to do with that...
Will post more thoughts later on the upcoming turns. Interesting times with Care Bears coming up...
Scout. I think we should move him as SutOxy suggested 2 days ago.
Quote:eagles and condors
Oct 12 (2 days ago)
to me
Yo,
Coast is fine - you want to follow the forest east of your current position to Frimaire. Then follow the road (finished t61) E to our coastal city Nivose where you can start defogging a route. The coast is kind of squiggly after Nivose, so you'll have to take your time - the jungle wil provide protection until you hit Orgynized's borders.
We approve the following EP agreement:
A) Both parties agree to restrict EP spending to 43EPs so long as our NAP is in effect
Regards - suttree
Eastern military: 2 warriors and chariot.
- Northern warrior: instead of healing now, I suggest move him 6 and heal/fortify next turns. Its a better tile for visibility. There is a very very small chance another barb near that tile now, imo.
- Warrior close to India: I'm ok with whatever you like - we'll need him to fogbust city#5 site. If we are lucky, we don't need chariot there untill city#5 safely planted on T66.
- Chariot: in case we are not lucky, we need that chariot close to copper-stone area. Next turn I was planning to move 1 worker on copper hill, so we probably should move chariot on roaded forest tile just in case.
Western military: 3 warriors.
I moved warrior near LP NE direction. I was thinking about moving him 9-6 (or 9-9-2) next and keep him on that tile (1NE from rice). Warrior west of UC is free from spawnbust duty now and could be moved down south using land bridge to form wider net there, or it could be moved back inside our borders for soon to be size5 MIT for garrison duty.
LP have OB with us. I've missed you already offered it to him in game.
Lets try to explain to Asterix now why we sign OB with LP.
Moved units as in post above.
As I understand, now we should be careful to avoid double move someone. CareBears could compete with us for settling stone next few turns.
Any comments on that?
OS whip 2pop from capital. Both their cities we saw so far has Granary.
No library for him yet, as I understand, but maybe next turn we'll see one.
Quote: LexIVn (03:50:11 15/10/2013)
Hi, TeddyKGB here.
In case you want to chat fast about something.
ecpb14@gmail.com (04:25:31 15/10/2013)
Yay, chat!
LexIVn (04:26:27 15/10/2013)
LexIVn (04:27:14 15/10/2013)
congrats on your expansion. pretty impressive, as I can see
ecpb14@gmail.com (04:29:18 15/10/2013)
Expansive is fun! How are things going in the diplo world? Does Asterix still hate us?
LexIVn (04:31:06 15/10/2013)
exp fun indeed.
i'm not sure hate is the right word, but he did complain a bit about you in our exchange.
i'm thinking both of you should try to improve relations, tho
LexIVn (04:32:25 15/10/2013)
india expanded very aggressively toward him and us
and now they also landed oracle
pretty scary
ecpb14@gmail.com (04:34:35 15/10/2013)
well, we're not really sure how to proceed. Both teams would benefit if we negotiated our border area - we've made a concrete proposal, and he ignored it. Imp India is playing a very aggressive opening - how can we work together to keep the peace?
LexIVn (04:37:22 15/10/2013)
imo, we could form some 4vs1 early (including LP)
i really don't want our team in some kind of early warfare, but we are currently considering this option
LexIVn (04:37:40 15/10/2013)
i hope u wont mention it to other teams
LexIVn (04:38:21 15/10/2013)
im certanly not expecting some military help from u or LP
ecpb14@gmail.com (04:39:32 15/10/2013)
we committed to keeping our correspondence private, and we keep our word.
LexIVn (04:39:44 15/10/2013)
but we may need some deals with LP to protect us from the west.
same with asterix and you, if he decide to join our attack on india
ecpb14@gmail.com (04:41:25 15/10/2013)
We don't want India to run away with the game either. But Asterix won't make for a very good ally if we can't resolve our border situation.
LexIVn (04:42:19 15/10/2013)
whats wrong with ur border situation? he mention to me u already make borders deal which u propose
LexIVn (04:43:53 15/10/2013)
after i sent him ur msg, u allow me to send, he was a bit confused u mention border agreement again
ecpb14@gmail.com (04:44:47 15/10/2013)
Yes - our capitals are 16T apart. We agreed with Maga to not settle more than 5T from our caps, with the expectation that we could negotiate for the 1T strip in the middle. Maga quit, and left us in the lurch.
LexIVn (04:45:37 15/10/2013)
Asterix did mention he will honored all Maga's deals in tech thread
ecpb14@gmail.com (04:46:42 15/10/2013)
While, from what you're saying Asterix doesn't know what the situation is. It should have been clear from our border proposal, but perhaps he can't count.
LexIVn (04:48:05 15/10/2013)
so, you'd like to keep this borders deal (5 tiles from capital) with him for now?
ecpb14@gmail.com (04:49:58 15/10/2013)
Of course! But neither we nor he can use the strip of land 8T from our caps until we come to an agreement.
ecpb14@gmail.com (04:51:23 15/10/2013)
If what you're saying is correct, he hasn't even thought about the situation.
LexIVn (04:52:07 15/10/2013)
u could clear this thing with him, maybe agree to OB for trade routes.
if u didn't OB with him, i'm afraid he could have no choice but establish trade routes with runaway india
LexIVn (04:52:35 15/10/2013)
i'm there is some simple misunderstanding between u and him
ecpb14@gmail.com (04:53:50 15/10/2013)
We'll send another message, but we're not sure how useful Asterix will be as an ally if he can't even read the map.
LexIVn (04:53:53 15/10/2013)
personally, i'm a bit overwhelmed with diplo info right now
LexIVn (04:55:04 15/10/2013)
do u know Asterix from before? did u played with each other?
ecpb14@gmail.com (04:55:20 15/10/2013)
No, I know nothing about him.
ecpb14@gmail.com (04:56:29 15/10/2013)
Thanks for your help in working this stuff out, KGB. Diplo is time consuming.
LexIVn (04:56:36 15/10/2013)
i didn't ask him, but i think he has similar nick on CFC.
he did played xOTM there succesfully
LexIVn (04:56:45 15/10/2013)
yes, indeed
LexIVn (04:59:50 15/10/2013)
anyway, we are all on tough part of the map. other 5 teams seems much softer, except Yossadorn maybe.
ecpb14@gmail.com (05:02:57 15/10/2013)
If you're chatting with Asterix tell him this: Your capital is 16T away from the OxySut capital. If neither team can settle more than 5T from its capital, there is a strip of land 8T from both capitals that is inaccessible. OxySut is willing to work with you to keep the peace with India, including Open Borders, provided you negotiate access to 8T neutral zone.
ecpb14@gmail.com (05:03:34 15/10/2013)
If we can't work together, both teams lose access to this strip of land.
LexIVn (05:05:45 15/10/2013)
> OxySut is willing to work with you to keep the peace with India, including Open Borders, provided you negotiate access to 8T neutral zone.
what u mean? how u see Asterix should behave toward runaway india?
ecpb14@gmail.com (05:08:43 15/10/2013)
That's for him to decide. Right now, I'm sure the Indian economy is a mess, so you do have an opportunity to push pack if India is stealing your land. We can provide Asterix with a secure border where the land is fairly divided between our two civs. Presumably, India is settling across the midpoint.
LexIVn (05:12:11 15/10/2013)
i'm sure that too about india's economy.
but i'm worried if you and Asterix cant agree on trade routes, he'll keep his OB with india and help them a bit to get out from the hole
ecpb14@gmail.com (05:14:41 15/10/2013)
What do you think of that strategy? Do you know if India is settling land that ought to belong to Asterix - or have they come to a border agreement?
LexIVn (05:17:09 15/10/2013)
i can't disclose, u should ask him yourself
India settled their city#6 6 tiles away from our capital. i did mention india also settled aggressive toward Asterix. u should ask him, i'm sure he is not happy about india's expansion
ecpb14@gmail.com (05:19:24 15/10/2013)
I understand - but if you have plans to reign in India, you're going to need Asterix's help. It's in your interest to explain to him that allying with a civ that is stealing his land is rather silly if there is a neighbouring civ that is willing to share the land.
ecpb14@gmail.com (05:21:55 15/10/2013)
Again, we will send him another letter with spelling things out in detail. With pictures this time. To be honest, I'm not sure he even took the time to read our last letter if what you've shared above is accurate.
ecpb14@gmail.com (05:22:29 15/10/2013)
I don't think he likes us though, so it might be helpful if you engage him also.
LexIVn (05:23:20 15/10/2013)
well, i can draft a msg to Asterix with your quotes from this chat, send it to you for approving and send to Asterix after u agree. as i said i dont wanna disclose some confident info, and i will not. but it maybe in your interest to sort things out with Asterix fast
LexIVn (05:25:57 15/10/2013)
i didn't reply to Asterix last 2 days or so.
i was pretty busy.
its my fault, i maybe mislead u about Asterix reaction. last msg from him to me was 2-3 days ago and we didn't chat once
LexIVn (05:27:51 15/10/2013)
i have to reply to him myself, but there is so much better just to chat. i'm glad you and me start chatting.
ecpb14@gmail.com (05:28:29 15/10/2013)
No worries - time is scarce. We'll draft a message to Asterix when we get a chance.
LexIVn (05:30:32 15/10/2013)
game will be down in several days due to Caledorn move to new flat.
i hope its a good time to catch up with diplo
LexIVn (05:32:04 15/10/2013)
i'm gonna mention to Asterix u want to work together and he should expect e-mail from u soon
ecpb14@gmail.com (05:36:41 15/10/2013)
Please also include the text I wrote above - chatting with you makes me think he doesn't even know the situation:
LexIVn (05:37:21 15/10/2013)
what u think about LP? u did mention ur relations much better compaired to Asterix
our team just contact him (on T60). we have some short deals already.
i was almost sure LP build oracle before T60. i'm assuming he is the one with another religion.
LexIVn (05:38:39 15/10/2013)
sure, i'll mention anything u allow.
i'm honestly think it would be better if u and him cooperate more
LexIVn (05:43:35 15/10/2013)
Yos planted 4th city and turn rolled btw
ecpb14@gmail.com (05:43:51 15/10/2013)
Yes, LP founded Hinduism. LP is LP - he's going to play to win. That's both a bad and a good thing, I guess.
ecpb14@gmail.com (05:45:18 15/10/2013)
Hmmm.. probably should go check out the turn before heading out. Thanks again!
LexIVn (05:45:45 15/10/2013)
i had no exp in mp but i read a lot of reports.
basically i was thinking LP is favorite in PB14
LexIVn (05:47:26 15/10/2013)
np. whenever u like to chat, I would like it very much
i'm in Russia but i could be online at night too. its 5:47 am here
LexIVn (05:47:50 15/10/2013)
nice to talking with u
Cliff notes:
- OS frustated with Asterix right now. Ask us to help improve their relation. I agree.
Quote:We don't want India to run away with the game either. But Asterix won't make for a very good ally if we can't resolve our border situation.
Quote:Yes - our capitals are 16T apart. We agreed with Maga to not settle more than 5T from our caps, with the expectation that we could negotiate for the 1T strip in the middle. Maga quit, and left us in the lurch.
Quote:We'll send another message, but we're not sure how useful Asterix will be as an ally if he can't even read the map.
Quote:If you're chatting with Asterix tell him this: Your capital is 16T away from the OxySut capital. If neither team can settle more than 5T from its capital, there is a strip of land 8T from both capitals that is inaccessible. OxySut is willing to work with you to keep the peace with India, including Open Borders, provided you negotiate access to 8T neutral zone.
- About India. I told them we are not happy with India's expansion, and Asterix most likely unhappy too.
I did mention our team considering possibility of relatively early military actions.
Quote:Right now, I'm sure the Indian economy is a mess, so you do have an opportunity to push pack if India is stealing your land. We can provide Asterix with a secure border where the land is fairly divided between our two civs. Presumably, India is settling across the midpoint.
Quote:if you have plans to reign in India, you're going to need Asterix's help. It's in your interest to explain to him that allying with a civ that is stealing his land is rather silly if there is a neighbouring civ that is willing to share the land.
- About LP.
Quote:Yes, LP founded Hinduism. LP is LP - he's going to play to win. That's both a bad and a good thing, I guess.
Asterix sent us a screenshot -- he's already 3 turns away from Mathematics, and generating 38 beakers a turn. We desperately need more commerce...really hoping we can get trade routes with Orgynized. Fortunately, he's settled close to Care Bears, and Care Bears probably doesn't have Writing either.
(October 14th, 2013, 23:09)DMOC Wrote: Asterix sent us a screenshot -- he's already 3 turns away from Mathematics, and generating 38 beakers a turn. We desperately need more commerce...really hoping we can get trade routes with Orgynized. Fortunately, he's settled close to Care Bears, and Care Bears probably doesn't have Writing either.
Edit: OxySut founded fifth city?
Yes, Asterix probably has library in capital by now. Beign FIN and working 1/0/3 tile(s) helps too.
Still, he didnt revolt to slavery yet and growing cities should be harder for him.
Once we ready to put slider on 100% we could use knownTech bonus on Math also. If we decide go for math next.
We can consider start library in MIT this turn. At size4 MIT could be configured to 12+25%=15bpt at 100% slider. Its not possible to configure MIT at size5 to 16 base beakers for 20bpt total unless we starve MIT or improve trade route.
Edit: our total beakers should be at 52-58bpt before prereq and knownTech bonuses if we set up library in MIT before turn slider on.
OxySut founded 5th, yes. I told you, their expansion stronger than ours, even if we planted 4th faster.
Yuufo did mention he will be ready to talk about borders agreement after fate of Oracle is decided. He ask me if we have our proposal.
Do we have one? Beside obv "don't you dare to settle more cities in our direction!!!11".
More extreme version of domestic:
We could build 4-5 libraries, keeping slider at 0% before they done, turn it to 100% and spike our GNP graph while pushing for Monarchy or whatever at 100% slider.
Could be interesting, but need some testing before.
In that case we need adjustments at diplo: extend NAP with India and OB with them.
-A library in MIT isn't a bad idea, it just doesn't have as much long-term benefit as a library in the other cities since MIT only has the gold. Still, that gold is a substantial part of our economy. I like the idea as long as another city (e.g., Stanford) can take over duties of building a chariot and the capital can run Great Scientists. One thing we might consider doing is cottaging the tile 2 south of MIT (2 north of Stanford) so that gives us another piece of commerce to work with.
-I wouldn't build 4-5 libraries right now, they're more useful if we already have a good amount of commerce in our cities. Berkeley doesn't need one now, for instance, and if MIT is going to be building a library, Berkeley really needs to help out in worker and settler production. We need more of these badly.
-Yuufo border agreement; didn't see any new emails so I assume it's a previous proposition. I would just not propose one, we know that they're going to settle close to us and we might as well settle close to them in return.
-Asterix never switched to slavery the entire game???
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We desperately need more commerce...really hoping we can get trade routes with Orgynized. Fortunately, he's settled close to Care Bears, and Care Bears probably doesn't have Writing either.