WW20: Legend of the Undercity

[Ichabod]

Bigger we are not lovers stop trying to associate yourself with me. Since people keep considering voting me, it looks like you're just trying to buddy up to me in case I do die so you look "safe"

Bigger

Brick <3 Bigger



Bigger

[Qgqqqqq]

Call me crazy, but this is a bit too good to be true. I wouldn't discard a scum ploy, now that I think of it.

Yeah my thoughts.

Still for now lets examine GaiusMarius.
I haven't seen him actually post.anything.original, its mostly just parroting others.
This is especially apparent in post 114 where he basically joins the chorus a) denying that gaspar/matt are cleared by not knowing the target, and latches onto the cflug train without giving any strong reasons why /joining the discussion.
He also feels (gut) like an azza character, trying to just skate along, contributing, yet nothing new.
Besides he sort of lets himself be drawn into the train, and Ryan right before mlynch time basically says he has more reasons (I'll go into more depth later) yet he never provides them.
Yeah I really suck at explaining my reads don't I

Anyway this is likely a massive xpost, composed immediately following my last.

[GaiusMarius]

Wow, good job Meiz.

Even now that I've read Ichabod's argument, I'm still not convinced that gazglum is scum. I think he defended well, saying he was looking for different leads based on the flug voters, even if he did find flug himself suspicious. I agree that the vote switch at the end of D1 was a bit strange, but I don't think that's enough to convict him.

I don't like how bigger is trying to associate himself with BRick, nor do I like this:

Excellent.

Sounds like Gaspar had a secret tiebreaking vote.

I wonder if he was vigged or died killing Zakalwe. I'm leaning towards the latter, he hadn't caught much heat yet. Well played, both of you.

Gonna read Gaspar's posts now.
http://www.cassidyweb.com/ww20/posts/Gaspar.html

Crossposting with the Molach diaries.

If was a village vig (I'm not) I would have killed Gaspar without blinking. He wass my #1 suspect and I would have gone after him today.

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Why was Gaspar all of a sudden your #1 candidate, even though on D1 you voted Ichabod, said Azza and Flug were scummy, and never really provided why you thought Gaspar was scummy?

Bigger

[BRickAstley]

If that's navi sex I'm gonna go throw up in my mouth now

[GaiusMarius]

Call me crazy, but this is a bit too good to be true. I wouldn't discard a scum ploy, now that I think of it.

Yeah my thoughts.

Still for now lets examine GaiusMarius.
I haven't seen him actually post.anything.original, its mostly just parroting others.
This is especially apparent in post 114 where he basically joins the chorus a) denying that gaspar/matt are cleared by not knowing the target, and latches onto the cflug train without giving any strong reasons why /joining the discussion.
He also feels (gut) like an azza character, trying to just skate along, contributing, yet nothing new.
Besides he sort of lets himself be drawn into the train, and Ryan right before mlynch time basically says he has more reasons (I'll go into more depth later) yet he never provides them.
Yeah I really suck at explaining my reads don't I

Anyway this is likely a massive xpost, composed immediately following my last.

I didn't really latch onto the flug train. I think I was the first after his post listing his "suspects" to call him out, asking him to provide reasons.

[Ichabod]

I could vote for Gaius or Bigger. To be fair, I think I'll vote Bigger just because it'll be very funny if he gets lynched after all the pressure he put on me on day 1. Can't touch this! and all that.

Of course, a more villageiry reasoning is due to the fact that Bigger's alignment will give clues about Gaius alignment after the last post, while the otehr way around is not true.

[Meiz]

Ichabod, what happened to your suspicion of Pindicator?

[Serdoa]

Mass village points for Serdoa and Q, for attacking me before the results. Scum wouldn't do it.

Not for me, I didn't see your post day-vigging him before I had already voted for you.

And I still am suspicious of you, especially as I agree with others that it could indeed be a setup. Especially as it seems he was going down anyway, so your day-vigging now makes much sense for a wolf. It would simply be to late to be explainable if you waited longer. I think it is even now hard to understand why you would waste your day-vig-shot on a target that had a high probability of getting lynched TODAY if you are town. But waiting longer and you just couldn't do it anymore at all, not to a player that is in the lead to getting lynched with just a few hours on the clock.

Also, there was no reason to shoot him. As Q pointed out, you did believe him to be village just a few hours ago. Than he got much heat and you decided to shoot him because he could maybe be a SK - which we don't even know if one exists? A target that would get lynched anyway most likely? If he had somehow got rid of all the votes I would understand, but this? In the last game, MJW had a smoking gun against Tasunke because he clearly lied so the day would have otherwise be wasted - and even then I didn't agree fully with the decision. You didn't have anything like that at all.

No, tbh, I have a hard time believing that you did do that as a villager. IF you did it and are a villager, great shot Meiz, thanks for helping us , but as of now I can't understand how you would reach the conclusion to waste your shot. Therefore I will keep my vote on you. But I am very interested to hear your explanation why you did what you did. I am sure you DID think about the pros and cons of shooting, so tell us please. Maybe that helps me coming around to a different view on you.

(Better for all of you or do I still have too much tunnel-vision? ...)

[novice]

Tasunke, Eurabatres (Fall from Heaven 2), Scum Arsonist Mass Distractor

I don't think Uberfish had any doubts about who picked a dragon as their character...

[novice]

(Better for all of you or do I still have too much tunnel-vision? ...)

Yeah, you have tunnel vision on EVERYONE.



I agree though, it could be a scum gambit. But I didn't suspect Meiz before the vig-shot, and I don't think the vig-shot hurts his standing. I'm more inclined to work with less complicated theories for now.