Werewolf 7 game thread

[Sareln]

Well, that took about an hour to chew through reading quickly. Not surprised to be at the top of the charts right now, bound to happen eventually. I could whinge about work or some such to explain the inactivity, but that doesn't strike me as fair towards those who actually have real work schedules (as opposed to my "make your own hours, but there should be at least 12 of them / day" university research schedule).

I'm going to post this and then head back into the beginning of the day again. I find I do better with multiple readings.

@ Scooter, Ichabod too since I remember seeing you state a similar idea upthread, I think you're either mischaracterizing or lopping off a very important part of my post voting for Erebus.

Here's the whole thing:

Who messed up the Tally yesterday? Wasn't it Sareln with Zakalwe catching the mistake. I have to ask the question is this honest mistakes or information manipulation.

I'd call it an honest error . I built the original tally for day 2 starting from Gaspar's post and working from there, it's at the top of the page w/ my forum settings. Honestly, I'm surprised the tallies for Day 1 were as accurate as they were, it was a mess keeping track of that. With that out of the way, let's get to the fun part:

To try and manipulate the tally or vote history that people are working with is just a stupid decision. Think about it, I'd need to lie about something that anyone could check. So I'd damage my credibility to accomplish what exactly? A little bit of skullduggery that would last about as long as it took the GM to inform us that their count was off?

Sorry if that sounds dismissive but I think you're trying to cast aspersions my way in a very questionable manner and I'm having trouble coming up with a theory for why you'd do such a thing and be an innocent.

Roland is right, I'm not going to get anything from JKaen outside of his posting period. I'd still love to hear from him, but since my own window is about to close I'm going to park my vote on Erebus .

At this point, I thought I had caught Erebus trying to insinuate that I was being dishonest with the tallies, so why should others trust me at all? I've really only seen this kind of reasoning in places where a person wants to accuse someone, but recognizes that they cannot do so in a socially acceptable manner. So instead they resort to the defense of "just asking questions" in an attempt to discredit their target. If you've ever argued with someone about government conspiracies, you know you're winning your argument when the person flees to "just asking questions" instead of making a straight accusation. As I said in the bolded section, that kind of behavior doesn't, in my mind, come from villagers. I think I can call it now, with hindsight, a mistake on Erebus' part since I doubt I would've stuck to my Erebus vote otherwise.

[Meiz]

I was honestly hoping for a clear answer to those two questions, but instead you start with "I'm not going to bother answering since you're not going to believe me anyway!". It's not just for me, but for everyone to get an idea what really goes inside your head. You almost got lynched, so don't you think it would make sense to give a tiny bit more effort? It's impossibly hard for me to trust you when the thoughts seem to be only in your head and we have to guess them. Believe it or not, but I'm doing my best to get you open up and show me your "inner villager".

As Sareln pointed out, you left out a major part of his message regarding Erebus. Even after I had mentioned that as well and said that I'd do the same in his shoes. Was it on purpose?

There is seriously something off with your game...

[scooter]

@ Scooter, Ichabod too since I remember seeing you state a similar idea upthread, I think you're either mischaracterizing or lopping off a very important part of my post voting for Erebus.

Whoa, my mistake. I was in a hurry and didn't understand the context of those paragraphs. I didn't remember any controversy like that at all, so I thought those first few paragraphs were just a clarification on a voting tally - totally did not catch the real context there. My mistake.

[Meiz]

So, what are the other reasons for suspecting Sareln and TT? Once again, not counting the quiet play? Honestly hoping some answer here.

[scooter]

I was honestly hoping for a clear answer to those two questions, but instead you start with "I'm not going to bother answering since you're not going to believe me anyway!". It's not just for me, but for everyone to get an idea what really goes inside your head. You almost got lynched, so don't you think it would make sense to give a tiny bit more effort? It's impossibly hard for me to trust you when the thoughts seem to be only in your head and we have to guess them. Believe it or not, but I'm doing my best to get you open up and show me your "inner villager".

You wouldn't believe me if freaking Mardoc himself backed me up, so I'm done answering your questions so you can twist them into werewolf land. If anyone else has ANY questions for me whatsoever, I'm more than happy to answer them as everyone else has at least proven that they are willing to listen, but you have not. This discussion between us is not productive for catching werewolves, so I'm going to drop it. If that makes you vote for me, then- OH WAIT you already have.

(Side-note: I fully admit that my "If I'm a wolf why is Meiz not dead" thing is pretty weak by itself - I'm just at a loss as to how to convince him, but I'm realizing now energy spent arguing with Meiz is energy better spent analyzing everything else that's going on - starting with diving into that Serdoa mega-post, which I'll do now)

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ANYWAYS, I'm going to stick with my Sareln vote for the moment. Twinkletoes said exactly what's crossed my mind actually - that it's like he's playing the "Ilios" role from WW1. I mean yeah I understand busy-ness and all, but he's participated in several games so he knew the time commitment when he signed up (unless he was a phanton signup too ), so it seems more likely to me that he's (very wisely) using his Sareln-style to mask the fact that he's basically flying really far under the radar.

[scooter]

Ok one more thing while I continue stalling on reading the Serdoa mega-post. Any more thoughts on my idea to vig-claim and narrow our pool a little bit? Catwalk said yes, Injera said no. It's like I said though - tomorrow may be too late - so let's do it now, as we cannot afford a mislynch today. No one else commented on this, so I'd like to know what others think... I just think it could be a nice boost for us.

[Meiz]

I can't believe it, I'm asking you the reasons why you are voting Sareln and why you are suspecting TT. And you get angry with me about it? . I honestly can't figure out why a villager is fighting so much against having to explain his thought and reasoning. Oh well, can't force it...

[scooter]

Alright, I finally made my way through Serdoa's post. Dang.

In fairness to Zakalwe, the majority of that post outlines behavior that amounts to "Zak being Zak"- but some of the inconsistencies - in posts, tone, and behavior - are just remarkable. I'm not sure what to make of it honestly. It also highlighted a TT post that has bothered me all game - where TT said it was worthwhile to lynch uberfish even if he was a villager. That's anti-village.

[Gaspar]

I'm a bit pressed for time (Sorry again, Commodore) so I can't give the ridiculous amount of content here the time it deserves, but I wanted to check in to say a couple things that I picked up from my first read at the posts today.

I'm really tempted to call the entire zak/Serdoa thing an unpleasant shouting match that's distracting us from picking the lower-hanging fruit. My gut instinct is there's probably a pair of wolves in the "quiet" group I pointed out last night, and I'd rather we spent today trying to sort the wheat from the chaff there. That said, the sheer amount of effort Serdoa put into his post means its worth reassessing, particularly as I feel pretty comfortable that Serdoa is innocent. So I'll hold off on shouting now.

Catwalk, you're almost comically bad at projecting innocence at this point. The part where AS A VILLAGER you're claiming you buddied up to zak to lay low, etc, etc is just absurd. Instinctively, I think that you'd almost have to be a villager because a wolf wouldn't dare be so obvious but who knows at this point. While I don't necessarily adhere to a lynch all liars policy as a matter of course, I do believe that a villager needs a really good reason to be dishonest (hiding a power-role, fishing for very important information, etc.)

Having just read the opening statements for the defense from TT and Sareln I am underwhelmed. scooter's hostility towards Meiz is understandable, but does hearken back to WW2 a bit in my mind. Still, simply based on the fact that I have more evidence on him than the other candidates, I feel okay with my current vote. If our wolfpack turns out to be TT, Sareln, scooter, Jkaen this would be the flukiest "get to the late game" pack we've seen. I do still believe there's a more active player pulling the strings, but at this point I'd be floored to see less than 2 wolves in that group.

[Catwalk]

I find it interesting that both Injera and TT still lump me together with zakalwe, after openly accusing him. Injera did specify that his post was written earlier and didn't take recent posts into account. I'm thinking that this makes it highly unlikely that either of them is a wolf along with zakalwe. Doesn't clear either of them, but a duo with zakalwe is unlikely. Any thoughts on that? Injera and TT, what are your takes on my accusations of zakalwe? Meiz, do you see nothing weird about zakalwe today and last night?