WW20: Legend of the Undercity

[novice]

Excelent post. To be fair, I really want to lynch Meiz now. But I don't think I have the guts to do it. It'll be so ugly if we are wrong... (and I didn't suspect Meiz before he used his ability, so, yeah...)

The "can only be used on the current vote leader" clause of Meiz's ability goes some way towards explaining it, though.

[Ichabod]

Excelent post. To be fair, I really want to lynch Meiz now. But I don't think I have the guts to do it. It'll be so ugly if we are wrong... (and I didn't suspect Meiz before he used his ability, so, yeah...)

The "can only be used on the current vote leader" clause of Meiz's ability goes some way towards explaining it, though.

Thought the same think. But it's still too strange...

I'll reason about it a bit more...

[Rowain]

I don't think Uberfish had any doubts about who picked a dragon as their character...

It would be interesting to hear if uberfish secretly made notes whom he believed has chosen what.

To clarify, the fact that tasunke was the one who died. The fact that Brick made that post about Tasunke. The fact that Meiz attacked Tasunke seemingly out of the blue. Even the Brick vote on Meiz. It smells of a setup. Of course, i'd lynch Meiz first, not Brick, if it got to that.

(and also Seroda)

I think Meiz, Flug_auto, and Gaspar all look scummy.

It is quite usual to hide 1 real scummy in your listings as scum.

1 yes but I doubt he would have put up 2. So I have no inclination to lynch Meiz now.

@Serdoa uhm you aren't really the best person to talk about vig-shots ;

Given that scum has already lost 2 I wouldn't be too surprised if Jkaen remembers that he is anti-town when his momory comes back.

[Qgqqqqq]

The "lack of reasoning" was for his most recent post, not his early Azza joke vote.

I know.
[Seriously to you even read my posts without prompting ]
My refute to that was how little reasoning ANYONE was giving for their posts, or is expected early day 1.
Still if you consider that a point them well done for figuring it out!
/sarcasm

[GaiusMarius]

By that point, people had begun to provide reasoning for votes. If somebody is going to claim that the 4 listed are scum and we should trust him, then I certainly want justification for that.

[Qgqqqqq]

You didn't bring up a new reason, you just quoted a post and said you didn't like it.
You mentioned lack of reasoning (for a joke vote made early in day1), andanother post (all nice people...) that HAD ALREADY BEEN COMMENTED ON.t
In other words, your post brought up nothing new against him except that a post was scummy.
I could say that about half a dozen if yours, including 114, the one we are currently discussing.

The "lack of reasoning" clearly refers to the lack of reasoning behind the four random suspects.
a bit scummy. I don't like the lack of reasoning, nor the "Maybe we all are nice guys..." quote. flug_auto, would you like to explain your suspicions?

That post was indeed the first one commenting on those votes. Flug's post was post 112, and this post by GaiusMarius was post 114.
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First point: yes I get this I simply don't see how it was bringing anything to the table on the flug lynch - its a clear joke as he says later, its d1 early on. I agree it was a tummy post by flug though.
As for the second, I've acknowledged that.

[Rowain]

@Ichabod OOI what happened with your Gazglum-crusade?

[Qgqqqqq]

By that point, people had begun to provide reasoning for votes. If somebody is going to claim that the 4 listed are scum and we should trust him, then I certainly want justification for that.

My point is that you contributed practically nothing to the train and yet stayed comfortably within it for the rest of the day, never reality considering any other candidates.
This lack of participation is what I find suspicious - to use your words, it feels a of like your trying to skate by under the radar.
Moreover, when I read your posts I don't see many suspicions, simply people you consider villagey.
Apart from flug, you only ever state you dislike mat and lewwyns play, which is merely because they were lurking.
Scum often find it hard voicing suspicions because they know they're wrong, and I believe we've found dcum.

[novice]

Given that scum has already lost 2 I wouldn't be too surprised if Jkaen remembers that he is anti-town when his momory comes back.

I don't think that logic holds. I think it's easier for us to hit 2 out of 4 people knowingly playing as scum than 2 out of 3.

I'm assuming we have 4 wolves and a SK. So actually town has probably hit 1 out of 4 or 1 out of 3, and the SK killed Gaspar.

[BRickAstley]

Oh come on do you all really think this was such an elaborate setup? Lets think this through. For this to work if this was a scum plan

1) I have to be scum, to make the tasunke post to get him to the top of the lynch list so meiz can shoot him.
2) meiz would have to be scum, so he could shoot tasunke

So that would mean 4 scum = gaspar, tasunke, meiz, and myself. And that we willingly

1) kill one of our own people who is suspicious
2) be the ones who bring him up to be under suspicion in the first place so we can do it
3) accepting that we'd lose 2 of our scum teammates before the second lynch
4) killed tasunkes chance at being an arsonist, there's no way in hell he'd allow that

Now, I know I'm not scum, and all that is preposterous. So what If meiz was scum and I wasn't

1) he would have had to make a crack decision to kill tasunke to gain cover when I accused him
2) there would be a "every man for himself" mentality among the wolves.
3) meiz would be catapulting himself back into the spotlight after weaseling out of it.

Possible, but highly unlikely. The best advantage is trading his life for tasunkes, but meiz wasn't ever in mortal danger anyways. I could see him doing this, but if so I think it was a very stupid decision.

Plus if you consider the meta; giving a wolf a day kill? That reeks of imbalance. So does an SK having it. A survivor could have it, but they win with village anyways so that's not something to be scared of, and of course village is fine.

So I'm just not really seeing this case on the Meiz conspiricy being valid. It feels more crazy than Nerve Stapling ever was.