October 18th, 2013, 07:08
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Draft msg to LP.
Quote:Dear Lord Parkin,
How things going for team Orgynized? Pretty well, I suppose.
Since we didn't get reply from you, we are just want to confirm our teams current deals are:
- NAP untill T90.
- OB for the length of our NAP with a no-scouting clause.
- Border agreement: neither of teams will settle more than 5 tiles from their capital into direction of other team.
- EP spending limited by 43EP on each other.
Please correct me if I'm wrong about something.
Right now our scout is close to your NorthWest borders, so we are humbly asking you to let him through.
His goal is to defog northern coast for possible sea trade routes, not to scout your core.
I'm asking you to let him through with following conditions:
- We will follow your instructions how to move our scout inside your culture. As I said, our goal is to defog nothern coast, nothing else.
- We won't share any info our scout could get while inside your culture with any other teams.
- If you like to send a scouting unit through our land to contact India, we will gladly agree with the same conditions in mind.
Scout current location is here:
<... screenshot ...>
We are wellcome more cooperation between our teams.
Exchanging some screenshots could be a next step.
Here is a screenshot of the land between our teams, northern part of it.
<... ss of land above the lakes (forested river) ...>
If you need a screenshot of southern land between our teams, we'll provide.
At some point, we should start negotiate how our borders will look like in that areas.
If you have any proposals now, we could start discuss it.
As we told you, our city#5 goes east direction. Our planned city#6 and probably city#7 will go same direction.
But we both can start dotmap land between our teams right now as well.
We are wellcome fair border agreement and peaceful coexistence between our teams in the future.
If you could share with us some screenshots, it would be great.
Right now we are interested in the land north of your core, for scout moves if you allow us to enter your culture.
Any screenshots you are interested yourself?
Another topic of discussion is establishing fast trade routes with you, but this msg is long enough already.
Kind regards,
DMOC and TeddyKGB of EggHeads.
Any thoughts? Something to add or something to cut?
And please correct my spelling and gramar, my english kinda bad.
October 18th, 2013, 08:38
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Oh, and I did finally chat with Asterix, before finish T66.
- He is exited about possible GW for GSpy. I'm not sure how FIN/CRE wants their 1st GP as a GSpy.
- He is worried LP will stole GW from him. I told him I doubt LP is after GW, most likely after Mids.
- He has a NAP with SutOxy until T135.
- Lot of talk about India. Long story short, his Construction timing is around T90 if he decide to go that way. He said something about possible start war on T100-120.
- I told him we won't go for HBR now most likely.
- India has granary in their capital now.
- He will get trade routes with India soon.
- He didnt have horses connected yet. Planning to connect copper: 'need couple more turns, it is far away from me'
- He is asking for our stone again. I reply we can't say our timing on stone connected right now. Simply dont know it yet.
- I did mention we are considering possibility of attacking India on T75. Dodge his question about our military composition several times. I doubt its true, but there is a possibility he is working with Yuufo much closer than we believe.
- I promissed him we wont start NAP negotiations with India few more turns, but could start negotiate OB and trade routes.
Ofc, we don't wanna start a war on T75, simply because we might lose. Yuufo aware of our northern Horses and obv Copper. He has enough time to put 2 spears into city#6 before T75 with some Axes nearby.
I hope to talk with Yuufo this weekend and maybe agree on some deals. In any case, I'm gonna say I need to consult with DMOC before making new deals official.
Any thoughts of what you want from India now, DMOC?
October 18th, 2013, 10:24
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1. The message to Orgynized/Parkin looks good.
2. Asterix sent us:
Quote:Hi,
since Yuufo entered my territory without permission under the pretext of trade routes, I did, too  - and got very interesting screenshots (attached). as a results, our borders are closed now, so please do not open borders with him now. I have also noticed that his power score stays in place for a long time now (attached)
I have chatted with suttree in game, but unfortunately i do not see much possibility of working with them - unless they will finally change their attitude towards us. I proposed twice pen Borders with no entering clause - which will not give me trade routes, as we are far away - but they twice rejected them  . This is open hostility for no reason, so until they act like this, I would not trust them - whatever they tell you about their good intentions .
Asterix
So really, Sut/Oxy keep denying them borders? Are they working with Parkin or something?
And also, now Asterix wants us to decline OB with Care Bears. I'm not sure who was the one who actually canceled borders -- Care Bears or Asterix/Maga? This is just when I was thinking that it might be best for us to OB with India after all...
We can provide him with Stone if we have trade route connection and if we don't need the stone itself. Can say we will have it hooked up around turn 80.
3. Okay, have fun chatting and yes we can both agree with Care Bears. Why don't we ask them why they don't have OB with Asterix? If we can agree with them on borders then let's ask for a 50-50 border deal. We still aren't connected via trade so we're not losing out by forgoing Open Borders strictly from a commerce perspective right now.
4. Cities:
(7) Vicky/India (CB): Turns 28, 37, 42, 50, 58, 59
(5) Pacal/NA (SutOxy): Turn 36, 43, 59, 63
(5) Sury/Byz (Us): Turn 33, 50, 58, 66
(5) Isabella/Inca (Yos): Turn 33, 46, 62, 67
(4) Ragnar/Rome (GG): Turn 38, 54, 60
(4) Willem/Ottoman (M & Ast.): Turn 38, 52, 62
(3) Mansa/Zulu: Turn 38, 53
(3) Darius/England: Turn 39, 55
(3) HC/Dutch (Orgy): Turn 42, 56
(3) Nap/Sumeria (Pony): Turn 49, 63
5. Next turn we might be able to move warrior to see CB's gold city, can send Asterix a screenshot of that.
October 18th, 2013, 10:47
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Okay, here's what I suggest.
We open borders with Care Bears, but do not extend our NAP. Explain to Asterix that we need OB for commerce, and this way all of our cities get foreign trade routes (Care Bears have more cities). Am I correct in thinking that if we just get Sailing and road Cornell to the river nearby, that river connectes to CB and we get trade route income?
OB with India also means we have connection to Asterix easily ... not sure if trade route,but we can at least pass through India if needed...
October 18th, 2013, 14:51
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I'm honestly can't understand what Asterix wants.
Hes talking about delay war with India till T100-120 and then close the border with Yuufo right on the turn India build roads to connect them to each other.
And he can't get SutOxy OB at the same time. Who will he trade with now? Pony?
And he keeps asking for our stone, but we both need OB with India to pass that stone to him.
Maybe I'm blind, but I don't see whats so very interesting on that screenshots? Maybe you do, DMOC?
I mean we knew India whipped heavy, we knew about confu in capital (Yuufo told me himself).
There is some unit under banana sign. Is that an Axe? I can't see on this screenshot.
I'm curious why would India decide to close borders with him before make deal with us first.
Only because Asterix saw 'something very interesting'? I'm confused.
SutOxy is working with LP, I did post some of my chat with them about LP.
October 18th, 2013, 15:33
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I'm confused as well, and I also don't see what's interesting about the screenshot. Still, we do consider Asterix an ally, so we might as well keep in touch with him often and continue to provide him with information about Care Bears. But surely he realizes that the best thing to do now is to settle quickly towards them to ensure we get a fair distribution of the land, and to also delay NAPs to keep Care Bears from just spamming more fast workers and settlers. And if Care Bears are going to spam cities, we might as well open borders with them to ensure that all of our cities have a foreign trade route connection. I think if we get Sailing, and put a road 7 of Cornell, that should be enough due to the river going to Care Bears city 6, and we assume that city is roaded to the rest of their empire.
I've been thinking more and more about a Hanging Gardens gambit, but we need a city that ideally has 4 forests to chop. This doesn't really change our tech path, though, Sailing -> Masonry -> Mathematics seems to be the way to go, and we can turn research on full speed once we get a second library (this one in MIT). Possibly I forgot this before but now that CM is at size 5 and can work 2 scientists, are we still going to slow-produce the chariot, or put the hammers into a worker? Maybe CM can grow to size 6 while slowly buliding the chariot, then at size 6 build a worker or settler. Did we have a plan for this city?
I might have mentioned this before, but I have a slew of deadlines due on October 25, so I think you should be playing most of the turns up to that date. I'll still be online and can offer my opinion.
October 18th, 2013, 15:51
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About India and trade route. I did post a full log of my chat with Yuufo last saturday.
Here is some quotes:
In short, India won't OB with us if we are the only one who will profit from it via Sailing.
I'm sure, with their tech rate, Sailing isn't priority for them now.
And they did offer preroad to our city#5 location, maybe just wanted to know its exact location.
That chat was taking place on T59.
October 18th, 2013, 16:22
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About HG. Just 4 forests not enough, we need whip aqueduct with ~30h overflow first.
That means ~39/100h + 3pop whip at size6 or ~69/100h + 2pop whip at size4/5.
We could continue slowbuild chariot in CM. Cap will grow size6 same turn chariot done (T71 if I remember correct).
But we have another option. We could leave that chariot 1T from complition (our unit costs is high enough already) and start settler, put 2-3 turns into it, grow size6 (complete chariot or start an Axe) and whip 3pop settler. That will remove our 2sci for 3 turns, but we can regrow to size5 in 2 turns, I believe, with taking Pigs back. Our GS due T87 in that case.
October 18th, 2013, 20:09
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Teddy, 6 hours left. Can you play the turn?
Upon some thought, might be best to put a couple of turns into settler until capital has enough happiness to grow to size 6 (and to avoid building chariots). I wouldn't 3-pop whip the settler, though, perhaps 2-pop since that scientist is pretty important for us.
October 18th, 2013, 20:31
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Yep, I'll play in an 1-2 hours.
Was kinda waiting LP's reply, but its not that important right this turn.
About worker in Stanford again, since we'll go Sail>Masonry, I'd prefer chop with him. Not roading.
City#6 near silver will be connected by salt lake. I really hope there is sea food out there, maybe even furs. We'll know more in the next turn.
Ice deer as an only food would be a nice joke.
I agree with you about keeping 2sci in CM. Our expences raising pretty quick. Cant afford another city before silver connected and working.
And I was thinking build cottage in UC on the way to wheat, not GHmine. We really don't need 2nd Horses connected, don't we?
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