WW20: Legend of the Undercity

[Molach]

I'm agreeing with BRick over the Meiz case. Not suspicious about people going for Meiz now, but am frankly amazed that first reaction after Meiz shoots a wolf in broad daylight is that he is probably scum?

I'm ready to call him a villager (for) now, am I crazy for that? Leave 0.6% chance that this was some ploy but seriously you want to lynch Meiz today?

Serial Killer seems most logical explanation now - Meiz a vigilante less likely another vigilante did the night kill. Serial Killer Vigilante seems like a strange/unbalanced role, so does not really fit Meiz as SK. Endgame of SK vs. 2 villagers would go votefirstthinginthemorning-execute-win.

About Gazglum case, I realize that Ryans vote for Ichabod (opening up the Gazglum switch) was at 21:58, so my Ichabodlynch-conspiracy theory requires the wolves to have said something like "Switch to Ichabod if there's an opening" and Gazglum having his switching-post ready to go beforehand, pressing 'preview post' and waiting for an opening.

I know I did this in the endgame in WW 14, but less likely that a new wolf did it, so it weakens my case a bit.

[novice]

I know I did this in the endgame in WW 14

Good times... Sneaking down to the hotel lobby for a wireless connection, to do some last-minute vote switching.

Living players, and post counts (since the scraper page included them):
Azza 16
Bigger 20
BRickAstley 66
GaiusMarius 22
Gazglum 17
Ichabod 75
Jkaen 32
Lewwyn 16
Mattimeo 12
Meiz 62
Molach 21
novice 66
pindicator 13
Qgqqqqq 46
Rowain 44
Ryan 62
Serdoa 31

I'm getting town leans on a lot of them, so dividing into townish and scummish, with no internal ordering:

Townish:
BRickAstley 66
Ichabod 75
Meiz 62
Molach 21
novice 66
pindicator 13
Qgqqqqq 46
Rowain 44
Ryan 62
Serdoa 31

Neutral:
GaiusMarius 22
Gazglum 17
Jkaen 32 (I believe him so he's an unknown)

Scummish (by elimination):
Azza 16
Bigger 20
Lewwyn 16
Mattimeo 12

[BRickAstley]

You know it looks like you're basing guilt almost solely on post count, right?

[novice]

You know it looks like you're basing guilt almost solely on post count, right?

I'm not, although if you're a villager that is perhaps more likely to shine through the more you post. But I didn't look at the post counts when classifying the players.

[Molach]

About Gazglum case, I realize that Ryans vote for Ichabod[Should of course be flug here] (opening up the Gazglum switch) was at 21:58, [...]

Typo

[Gazglum]

@Ichabod OOI what happened with your Gazglum-crusade?

I never suspected Gazglum, what are you talking about?

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Just kidding. I reread the posts and it just wasn't there. I was probably too eager. I'll wait and see what he does. For now, there are better targets.

*Sheathes cutlass* I'm pleased to hear it Ichabod. I suppose in the spirit of detente, I will admit that after cooling off, it does seem that Gaspar being in your corner wasn't as bad it looks either, it would be dangerous for Gaspar to tie himself to you if you were a wolf on the block.

A lot to catch up on this morning, but my first thoughts are, well done! Whether or not Meiz was rash, we're now a second wolf down. That's pretty good for Day 2 after a mislynch.

Echoing Molach, people are really still trying to build a case on Meiz today? I suppose killing Tasunke –could- be some super deep-cover Cold War style wolfiness…but isn’t that overcomplicating things a bit? At the very least, I think Meiz has earned a day before the vultures start circling again.

I was thinking on Zak - not that it matters too much now. But perhaps he was a watcher? Being a Peeping Tom seems pretty Larry-like.

Jkaen – I believe your posts, and I think that’s a really cool bit of game design by Uberfish. It might be frustrating for you, but hopefully fun too, and thematically fitting. Obviously we’ll watch you in case you grow fangs, but I’m happy to count you as village for today at least.

Molach, obviously I had made a decision to try to go for Ichabod over Flug, but it was no ploy with Gaspar or any other wolf. As you said yourself, it would require an awful lot of clock-watching and planning. That's a lot of effort to swing a lynch from one villager to another.

Right now, I need to reread the last few pages to get a better handle on things. I’ll try to chime in again a bit more actively in a few hours.

[Bigger]

wtf are there 3 pages discussing whether the guy that just day vigged a wolf is scum himself? wtf are you guys smoking? How is this even worth considering at this point?

[Bigger]

Bigger we are not lovers stop trying to associate yourself with me. Since people keep considering voting me, it looks like you're just trying to buddy up to me in case I do die so you look "safe"

Bigger

Brick <3 Bigger



Bigger

WATCH OUT!! WOLF AT WORK!!

HEY!!! I'm on my lunch break .


wow. good job Meiz. I do think Tasunke would have been lynched eventually, he was playing similar to the way he played king in the most recent AITP. Can't say he was a top suspect of mine, though.

my read on Ichabod is mostly based on on his reaction to my votes, just as my read on Gaspar was. I always get a stronger read on people I interact with, I guess thats natural. (revoting since I was missing on uber's last tally)

Anyway regardless of their interaction, Ichabod has parroted the same fallacious arguments Gaspar did, in an attempt to dirty my name (and Brick's as well). I think there was a conscious strategy in the scum thread to get me and/or Brick lynched - we have both traditionally been easy targets for scum to bandwagon, and get a few villagers to hop on.

Bigger we are not lovers stop trying to associate yourself with me. Since people keep considering voting me, it looks like you're just trying to buddy up to me in case I do die so you look "safe"

Bigger

sigh. please Listen!! carefully!!

I never tried to buddy with you. I'm not even sure you're innocent, I have no read on you at all, really. My point was that BOTH Gaspar and Ichabod tried to group us togethor, with no real justification for lynching either of us. Their motivation was clear - lets see if we can't get one of these traditionally easy to lynch people lynched, doesnt matter which one.

Maybe you are innocent, or maybe they threw you in for cover, I don't know. I know I'm innocent.

I think we should just kill Navi cause I'm tired of hearing HEY LISTEN!!!!!!!!!!

Well, if one wolf can make preposterous distancing votes on Gaspar, why not two?
Bigger

I don't know if you're scum or just really off your game. You're playing lazy this game, novice. Have you even had any reads yourself?

[uberfish]

Vote count

bigger (3) - brick gaius novice
molach (3) - azza lewwyn meiz
ichabod (2) - bigger gazglum
meiz (2) - ichabod serdoa
gaius (1) - Q
gazglum (1) - molach

not voting: jkaen mattimeo pind rowain ryan

[novice]

I think we should just kill Navi cause I'm tired of hearing HEY LISTEN!!!!!!!!!!

Well, if one wolf can make preposterous distancing votes on Gaspar, why not two?
Bigger

I don't know if you're scum or just really off your game. You're playing lazy this game, novice. Have you even had any reads yourself?

Mostly town reads. I had the second vote today on Tasunke though:

Tasunke, why did you suspect and keep voting Gaspar yesterday?

(Jkaen had the first with "something feels off")

So, why don't you answer the same question, Bigger? Why so sure on Gaspar that you would even have vigged him tonight if you could have?