Using +2 naval movement on pangaea. yuris125 of England

[yuris125]

T67

My Pike died, my Sword is in the yellow, and he moved his Sword inside the city instead of the Archer. So I made a tactical retreat. Next turn I'm upgrading my Archers, then one immediately starts shooting from the silver tile, the other moves to the horse tile and shoots from there. There's no hope for this city

[yuris125]

T69

Here we go



The Sword moved in position to provide visibility of the city tile for Longbows. He also found an Archer, so the 2nd Longbow moved to the tile where he is on the screenshot, and had a movement point left, so he could shoot at the Archer (the screenshot shows 0 movement points, he actually had 0.5 left). It was a lucky shot, killed the Archer outright, the expected outcome was 8 damage. The other Longbow shot at the city, and dealt 5 damage, putting it in the red again. The Sword also had a movement point to get out of the city attack range after spotting. That's a common trick when providing vision for Longbows: move in, let them shoot, move out

A couple more turns and I will take the city with a Scout - don't want to risk the Sword, city attack + Archer shot might kill him, but should not be able to kill a full health Scout

[yuris125]

Meanwhile, National College finished in Boeing, and I decided to try to build The Great Wall there. I'm actually surprised that it's not built yet, it's considered one the best wonder for MP, borderline bannable. With TGWall, when an enemy is inside your territory, each move costs 2 movement points instead of 1 for them. So the opponent is slowed down a lot, and is much more vulnerable. I don't think I'm going to be attacked any time soon (the war against Fire&Ice is more of an offensive war, especially now when I have better units); but this is a good wonder, it will be very helpful on defence, and it's very annoying to deal with when you're attacking someone, so building it for denial is also good

[yuris125]

The Longbow could not shoot at the city from the horse tile. Which only goes to show how obscure and underdeveloped the line of sight mechanic is

I moved him across the river, putting him in the city attack range. It's a risk, but probably a worthwhile one. Next turn he will be able to move onto the forest tile, he can definitely shoot at the city from there, and will do so exaclt when my Scout will be ready to go for the kill

[Rowain]

But he could shoot from the tile 1 NE the last turn?

The sword was again providing Sight?

If it was the Horse 1 SW from his position oin your screenshot then I see nothing what could prevent him except having no sight into the city.

[yuris125]

Here...



The Longbow can shoot at tiles within the red shape. Not at the city

I agree, I also don't see a single reason why the city can't be attacked

[Rowain]

This is very strange. Especially considering that you could shoot from the other tile last turn.

Perhaps there is a restriction that you can't shoot through 3 tiles of enemy culture? (too balance this very strong unit)

Last turn you had only 2 tiles of his culture as the tile where your sword stand was free.

[yuris125]

I never saw this mentioned anywhere.... To be honest, I think it's a bug in the line of sight algorithm, there are several possible shortest paths from Longbow's position to the city, and it picks the one which includes the hill NW of the city

I'll have more chances to test it, this war is far from over America is by far the weakest civ right now, and I want to take advantage of it while Longbows dominate battles

[yuris125]

Last turn this Longbow shot at the Archer, not at the city. That shot was over flatland only, no hills could be considered in the way. The other Longbow, who shoots at the city from the silver tile, is on a hill, so non-forested hills don't block his line of sight

[Rowain]

I never saw this mentioned anywhere.... To be honest, I think it's a bug in the line of sight algorithm, there are several possible shortest paths from Longbow's position to the city, and it picks the one which includes the hill NW of the city

Would be a weird bug and I'm surprised I had never encountered it then.

Sadly I have never played England so can't say anything about LB and changes to it.