September 14th, 2011, 16:09
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Whoa. Just when I think I'm caught up, and get done crafting that post for the last hour, everything's changed around. Did I miss something, or are we all just trying to repeat yesterday?
September 14th, 2011, 16:09
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Roland Wrote:As I recall, I don't think you were even online in time to do anything about trying to kill scooter, but I'm not certain about that. The only thing I remember is a distinct lack of your presence during that whirlwind of activity. Let me make it clear: in no way do I think that makes you suspicious. I only bring it up because you're trying to use it as a defense right now, and I don't think it's a very plausible one - unless I'm mistaken. People are free to check for themselves, as best they can.
I just skimmed very quickly over your post, but let me answer this. I was definitely online. Like I said earlier, I was watching.
If you know what I mean.
September 14th, 2011, 16:12
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Note: crossposted with Roland, need to read that
Gaspar Wrote:Who knows but it seemed silly not to try for the same reson you switched to zak.
Right. Here's quick my reasoning on things right now:
I'm pretty confident there's a wolf between TT, zak, and Cat. TT seems to be getting no resistance as zak said and Cat seems more crazy than wolfish to me right now. Also, I've been suspicious of zak for a while and I think a big part of the reason I've been leery on moving to him is due to more second order things.
I'm torn on scooter but at this point I could see him being a wolf.
Could you make a quick case for scooter vs. zak?
September 14th, 2011, 16:15
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Sareln Wrote:Of the group of JKaen, Myself, TT, Scooter that Gaspar has isolated, I know my own innocence, expect JKaen to be mod-killed, and need to decide between Scooter and TT.
I think that Scooter chopping off my Erebus vote and ignoring its justification (and then accusing me of not having a justification for it) was a bit off, but could easily come about from having read Ichabod's own faulty analysis of that post earlier.
My vote goes to Twinkletoes for this round because it creates a situation where either the double-voter will need to vote to lynch me or interesting vote movements will have to take place to lynch me and will prove good for analysis later (after I'm a proven dead innocent).
I'm no longer on the block and with TT, Zakalwe, Scooter all up we're definitely exposing ourselves to the double-voting wolf. Looking at who is voting for whom, I find myself distinctly more comfortable voting with Gaspar and Zakalwe. Either we'll be able to build a Scooter run or at least we'll get the lynch the village chooses (and therefore perhaps multiple wolves) instead of the one the double-voter picks. I'd rather pick between TT & Scooter today, than either of those with Zakalwe, abscribing to the original Gaspar thinking of pushing the quiets today.
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September 14th, 2011, 16:15
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zakalwe Wrote:I just skimmed very quickly over your post, but let me answer this. I was definitely online. Like I said earlier, I was watching.
Think about it like this: if I were a wolf, do you think I would not be watching? So why would I as a wolf watch that whole scenario unfold and NOT seize the opportunity to lynch Scooter, if Scooter is innocent? That was the argument I was making. I thought it should be pretty compelling to Scooter, but apparently, it wasn't.
If you know what I mean.
September 14th, 2011, 16:18
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zakalwe Wrote:I just skimmed very quickly over your post, but let me answer this. I was definitely online. Like I said earlier, I was watching.
Alright. I wasn't camping your profile, so all I noticed was your lack of input. Sorry for muddying the waters. That still doesn't clear you in my mind, though. I'm sorry for posting and voting so late, but I really didn't have a firm grasp on any suspects this morning except Sareln, and I was staying away from that for awhile so that I wouldn't put blinders on myself. I think it's proved rather enlightening overall though, even if I still suspect him.
September 14th, 2011, 16:22
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zakalwe Wrote:Think about it like this: if I were a wolf, do you think I would not be watching? So why would I as a wolf watch that whole scenario unfold and NOT seize the opportunity to lynch Scooter, if Scooter is innocent? That was the argument I was making. I thought it should be pretty compelling to Scooter, but apparently, it wasn't.
Because it would look too out of character for you to switch at the last minute from someone you were so confident was a 'Wolf (scooter), to someone else who only started to rise on the list in the last - what, hour? Half hour? 15 minutes? I don't really know, because I was occupied at the time, but it sure felt like a very last-minute ordeal. I think if you had switched to scooter it would have made you much more suspicious, and suspicion is something you've been doing an excellent job avoiding all game long.
September 14th, 2011, 16:23
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zakalwe Wrote:Think about it like this: if I were a wolf, do you think I would not be watching? So why would I as a wolf watch that whole scenario unfold and NOT seize the opportunity to lynch Scooter, if Scooter is innocent? That was the argument I was making. I thought it should be pretty compelling to Scooter, but apparently, it wasn't.
1. And who told us that scooter is innocent now? Imo what it boils down to is:
a. If you are a wolf and scooter is innocent, why should you push one innocent over the other?
b. If you are a wolf and scooter is a wolf too, why would you push for him at all?
Pretty much your defense makes (again) no sense.
September 14th, 2011, 16:26
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Serdoa Wrote:a. If you are a wolf and scooter is innocent, why should you push one innocent over the other?
Because Erebus already incriminated himself, and would have been a probable mislynch for later. Roland voted at the last minute for Scooter, and nobody seems to suspect him for it. Given my allegedly superhuman powers of deception, don't you think I could pull off the same stunt? It wouldn't reflect well on Serdoa, either, so if he is innocent that would be another bonus.
If you know what I mean.
September 14th, 2011, 16:28
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Roland Wrote:Because it would look too out of character for you to switch at the last minute <snip>
And, really? Have you not noticed the amount of heat I'm catching for NOT switching?
If you know what I mean.
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