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It does for me.
Completed: SG2-Wonders or Else!; SG3-Monarch Can't Hold Me; WW3-Surviving Wolf; PBEM3-Replacement for Timmy of Khmer; PBEM11-Screwed Up Huayna Capac of Zulu; PBEM19-GES, Roland & Friends (Mansa of Egypt); SG4-Immortality Scares Me
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I think you need to refresh a few times.
In Soviet Russia, Civilization Micros You!

"Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must."
“I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money.”
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Chat time with Luddite. Bolded for emphasis.

12:59 PM anyway
not sure how much you're paying attention to the game
IRL > PB
luddite: yeah i'm pretty distracted right now
i did log in yesterday and check it though
1:00 PM seems like parkin is #1 in everything right now
antisocialmunky: anything interesting on your end?
wow
even in pop?
luddite: um i'm not sure
but at least in gnp, mfg, and food
antisocialmunky: hmmm
I need to log in and check
1:01 PM luddite: still i think that both of us can overtake him
antisocialmunky: yeah
I told plako taht the SoZ location is telling
because tis right next to you
luddite: oh yeah
antisocialmunky: that he fears us much much more right now
luddite: i think he might be trying to culture flip one of my cities
1:02 PM antisocialmunky: its not that weird that you planted is it?
luddite: huh?
antisocialmunky: we saw a city in a weird land/grab spot
that you planted recently
luddite: hmm how recently?
a week ago?
antisocialmunky: well a few turns ago
luddite: oh
1:03 PM antisocialmunky: atleast that's my understanding
LP even whined at us about it
luddite: oh, yeah
that's the one wink
why did he whine to you guys lol? does he expect you to care that I grabbed a crappy city site away from him?
1:04 PM antisocialmunky: he swings every bit of info his way
its what he doesl ol
luddite: haha
1:05 PM antisocialmunky: "..since you're currently the only neighbour I fully trust. (Rego of course is constantly twofaced, and Luddite has recently acted very sneakily by breaking a border agreement to found a bizarrely located city right next to me.)"
lol
luddite: ha
1:06 PM antisocialmunky: boohoo my 5 gold, 2 gems
luddite: yeah... i doubt that he'd fully trust you guys either
antisocialmunky: *mr
yeah
luddite: but yeah pretty much
i didn't think he would care so much if i settled there
antisocialmunky: I don't think he cares
he just pretends he does
luddite: ah
1:07 PM i guess he's never had any real conflict this entire game
antisocialmunky: instead
...
well its a long story
well not that long
1:08 PM seems that Nakor + some coalition maybe planning on attacking us for some reason
I'm suspicious whether or not Parkin is behind it
luddite: hmm
antisocialmunky: heard anything about it?
luddite: i did get a message from nakor about a week ago saying that he wanted to talk to me
1:09 PM but i was busy at the time so i never got the chance to talk to him
parkin hasn't said anything about it to me
antisocialmunky: well, real life is real life
luddite: yeah
1:10 PM antisocialmunky: I dunno, if you have time to investigate it, plako would probably be able to make it worth your time
luddite: ok i'll see what i can do
i think after tuesday (after my train trip) i'll have more time to play civ
antisocialmunky: thanks, we'd consider it a great favor. Not sure what we could replay you with
luddite: heh
1:11 PM antisocialmunky: maybe some of Parkin's land :>
luddite: just go to war against parkin smile
do you have an NAP with him btw?
antisocialmunky: not officially

but
military strikes are a pain because Krill's map
1:12 PM its hills and jungles through like a bunch of 1 tile wide chokes
luddite: you gotta go by sea :0
antisocialmunky: yes smile
onyl way
we aren't really in a position to fight for a little bit
WarriorKnight put up quite a fight
1:13 PM well, cities with walls on hills did
luddite: ah
yeah i was surprised he held out so long after you took his capital
antisocialmunky: well
he ended up abandoning Athens
he lost his whole HA stack for free
and decided to pull north
1:14 PM He actually settled a GG in his last city and spammed up XPed units
luddite: oh i see
antisocialmunky: his last city was SPARTA
which was lol
luddite: haha
well at least he didn't have longbows
1:15 PM antisocialmunky: I think we are pretty much the only ones with LBs
I think that Locke and LP are both racing for liberalism
luddite: sure
i was wondering who will win that
my guess is locke but i'm not sure
or maybe sleeping moogle
antisocialmunky: I think Locke
1:16 PM how is SM doing?
luddite: he doesn't have many cities
so i think he's teching fast
antisocialmunky: seems like he has the quietest chunk of the map
luddite: well, sort of
there's still empty land over there that he can fight over with mackoti and adlain
1:18 PM antisocialmunky: lucky
luddite: haha yeah
antisocialmunky: this crazy diplo is starting to wear thin
luddite: i know... i kinda wish this was a cton game
1:19 PM antisocialmunky: That's what WarlordDr
did
we axe rushed him
luddite: lol
antisocialmunky: I feel bad for WarriorKnight honestly
like
2nd turn he's playing and 2 axes show up
luddite: yeah he didn't know what he was getting in to
antisocialmunky: yeah
his openning was a 4 warrior before settler thing
1:20 PM luddite: haha
antisocialmunky: actually workedo ut really well
he got his settlers before we did
luddite: how is that possible?
antisocialmunky: Cyneheard said soemthing about worker bonus
1:21 PM but
still
insane
luddite: yeah
still, if you build 4 warriors like that, you pretty much have to attack
antisocialmunky: it was weird
he just used them to chase our warriors around
1:22 PM luddite: do you know if he had played much civ before?
1:23 PM antisocialmunky: um
he played a bunch of ladder
I did some google intel gathering
luddite: oh ok
antisocialmunky: one of the guys who subbed for him
1:24 PM was as Speaker put it on one of the Civ4 MP sites
"one of the best MP players in the world"
lol
Metallian
luddite: haha wow
antisocialmunky: was funny
luddite: well i guess ladder games are really different from pitboss though
1:25 PM antisocialmunky: yeah
don't take a whole year
1:26 PM luddite: i know when I do games online i make a lot of silly moves just because there's no time to think
and i have to automate most of the workers
antisocialmunky: it comes with practice and experience
should play SCII
tongue
workers auto-mine
1:27 PM luddite: haha i used to play broodwar
none of that stupid automine nonsense
antisocialmunky: are you kidding
12 unit limit
luddite: yep
antisocialmunky: no worker rally
luddite: and you can only select one building at a time
antisocialmunky: the weirdest freaking unit AI stuff
like vulture patrol shoot micro
1:28 PM luddite: haha yeah
antisocialmunky: and the DRAGOON AI
fail
luddite: i like zerg just because their units are a little bit smarter
playing protoss is like herding cows
antisocialmunky: zerg was so hard
so many units to control
can't stop making drones
1:29 PM luddite: yeah
antisocialmunky: SCII
you stil lcan't stop making drones but its quite alot easier
kinda
also
probes
still imba
luddite: yeah at least you can do it from all your bases at the same time
antisocialmunky: yeah'
1:30 PM but yeah, probes are still imbalanced
luddite: haha
1:31 PM antisocialmunky: anyway
not sure if there's any concrete tiem table with LP
right now
plako is trying to intimidate Rego
because hes' tired of Rego's games
1:32 PM luddite: haha
antisocialmunky: we really need to do something about LP
would be nice if beserkers went from him instead of us
heck, we have the unit that perfectly counters beserkers...
luddite: haha that is true
antisocialmunky: with vassalage bonus
luddite: oh hey
1:33 PM didn't nakor switch to vassalage?
antisocialmunky: ... I don't pop into the game that often
I hope not but if he's aiming for an attack soonish
makes sense
has no hope but whatever
1:34 PM luddite: yeah
antisocialmunky: I think Rego was moving some catapults around his border so :\
luddite: his power is still really low though
antisocialmunky: yeah I know
makes no sense
luddite: so i have no idea what he's thining
antisocialmunky: Nakor is actually in the perfect spot to boat LP
there's this mountain range
that force LP to go through us to get to Nakor lol
1:35 PM luddite: yeah- but would nakor be able to keep any cities he took?
seems like he would just have to raze them
1:36 PM maybe you guys could trade him a city in exchange for him doing that
antisocialmunky: that's not a bad thing
yeah
maybe
problem is that they dont' seem to be trying to win the game that hard
and in my experience form Risk
1:37 PM its not a good situation to find yourself next to ap layer like that
luddite: ah, true
he might just launch a suicide attack against you
just for fun
1:38 PM it's funny- nakor has no chance to win the game, but he's in a great position to play kingmaker
he could basically attack anyone with berzerkers
antisocialmunky: yup
whenever I'm in a situation liek that
I attack hte strongest player
lol
1:39 PM luddite: haha
1:42 PM antisocialmunky: well anyway
I need to get going
if you need anything form us, just call
been a fun chat
1:43 PM luddite: alright thanks
i'll be in touch
antisocialmunky: good luck with IRL stuff
smile
luddite: thanks

Not sure if that counts as lying. lol

Anyway, seems like the most likely 4 that LP were referring to in what I will call "The Alliance of lets see if Nakor will suicide on China" is basically Nakor and Rego and maybe Locke if he's lying to us.
In Soviet Russia, Civilization Micros You!

"Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must."
“I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money.”
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So who are you going to try and ally with and what will you do in the next 30-40 turns?
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Since you asked:

Plako and I talked about it and we are going to try to beeline SoL. Its probably the most powerful thing in the game given this map and we have a decent shot at getting it if people get distracted by other parts of the tree. We have our land filled out and will probably just turtle behind LBows and Cats.

Machinery, IW?, CS, Paper, PP, Phil, Nationalism, Constitution, Democracy -> SoL
700 + 200? + 800 + 600 + 1600 + 800 + 1800 + 2000 + 2800 = 11100/11300 beakers :\

Currently we are averaging around 200 beakers a turn so its a long way off. It should obviously go up as we recover from the war and all the residual infrastructure kicks in.

Build Wealth wherever we can and enough infrastructure to support wealth everywhere else except BrB which will be the main military crank that will put out 3 Promo units.
In Soviet Russia, Civilization Micros You!

"Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must."
“I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money.”
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I closed our borders to Rego and sent him this:

Quote:You might wonder why it has taken so long to respond. I've had some difficulties to respond after I heard rumours that the real initiator of "the Plako problem" initiative is you. Needless to say I was less than thrilled to hear about this. Pretty clever to threat us joining when you're the one building it up.

Basically this means no more friendly favors. I'll close my borders and allocate my EPs as I like. At this point you can only buy favors from me. Long term deal including ~10-20 gpt+Gems+NAP would make it worth my while to keep borders open and find another target for my EPs and give us a chance to rebuild some trust.

My message to Nakor yesterday evening:
Quote:Just curious what is going on? No response to my suggestion and I noticed that you're now allocating EP points aggressively towards us.

His reponses:
Quote:Sorry, talking to Gaspar about your proposed NAP. Doing that, we need to discuss the complete mid-game of this Pitboss, so it takes some time.

About the EP's, we're just trying to spend them evenly amongst everyone and you are one of the last that get 1 turn of a lot of EP's. We'll probably divide them equally amongst everyone or make a run for someone else. With our CH's we have to do something with those EP's...

Maybe we can include a deal about EP's with our next agreement.

It's just a very important stage of the game and we need to discuss things good and that takes time.

Hope to give you a positive answer and hopefully a plan for cooperation tomorrow or the day after.

Quote:Got a heads up for a prolongued NAP. Are you ok with signing one untill T225?
And what kind of other deals should we agree to?

Bit short of time, so I've got to go.

If they were considering dogpile it seems to have been cancelled for now. I won't immediately accept. I'll see how Rego reacts 1st.
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Do you think it would be a good idea to have a chat with Locke about seeing if he can convince Nakor to help with LP?
In Soviet Russia, Civilization Micros You!

"Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must."
“I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money.”
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antisocialmunky Wrote:Do you think it would be a good idea to have a chat with Locke about seeing if he can convince Nakor to help with LP?

No ;-). Lord Parkin has been helpful. Even if we might not give him NAP extension. I don't think it would be right to start planning or inducing aggression against him before our NAP is close to end.
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It was conditioned in the secret pact that we can and should make people think we hate each other so we can basically attack our neighbors. tongue

That's how he put it anyway. If you really wanted to abuse that clause, we can tip LP off so he knows its coming and has to garrison his western coast. Same general effect as I don't think galley invasions will actually do anything.
In Soviet Russia, Civilization Micros You!

"Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must."
“I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money.”
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