[SPOILERS] Serdoas thread

[Serdoa]

So, I decided to give up the two fish spot for now and moved my settler accordingly. If Dazed wants to he can settle there. His settler is on the way so was finished EOT18. I thought that he would be able to do that but was not exactly sure. Now, after going through the demo-data again, I would guess he camped the ivory and therefore has a 2/3/1 tile available, together with a 2/3/1 city tile by discovering BW. At least that is for me the only explanation how he can have 10 food and 6 hammer yield with 2 citizens (mined grasshill and corn would give 9 and 6 as it is the case for me right now after I whipped my settler).

I think I have produced more then he has since the start (partially due to being imp and exp and also by whipping) but I am not sure how much I used that to my advantage till now. Is seems to be pretty exactly 55 hammers plus being in Slavery already minus having chopped one forest. So probably it's ok to say I am nearly 50 hammers ahead.

In techs he has Hunting on me and I have Fishing on him, so pretty equal I would say (though he camped his ivory and I will only now net my fish).

In worker turns, he finished his worker one turn later due to not being exp at EOT6. He then moved to the corn for one turn (now is also the time to apologize by Krill: I was wrong with saying I could not use my fast workers due to forest placement because I could immediately start the corn after finishing the worker whereas all others had to move 1 round except for TT who could have put 1 turn of a road down, but I am not sure if he did) and started farming it turn 8. He finished turn 11. Then moved on turn 12 to the ivory. Started camping turn 13 and finished 15. Moved turn 16. I do not know where to, but I assume on the grass hill 1W,1NW of the cap and mining it. That would be finished turn 19 able to move turn 20 (the turn we are on right now) to start chopping something.

Ok, enough of that. Let me rather tell you why I am doing this: I have produced a WB-file with the land layout exactly as I know it. I used Tilted-Axis map and I put down the rivers as I have seen them between Dazed, TT and me. Now, doing that for the whole height of the map and assuming that there is one tile more if you are next to a cre civ would give:

TT
9 tiles
Serdoa
10 tiles
Dazed
10 tiles
scooter
10 tiles
SleepingMoogle
10 Tiles

That is a total of 54 tiles and on the map I have I miss two tiles. I think I read somewhere that you have to have a multiple of 4 (?) for your tile-height and -width. If that is true then 54 is not possible - it has to be 52 or 56. 56 would mean that somewhere is even more space between the civs and that I cannot believe. So 52 it has to be. That could mean (bolded what I know for sure)

TT
9 tiles
Serdoa
10 tiles
Dazed
9 tiles
scooter
10 tiles
SleepingMoogle
9 tiles

= 52

I can also be that there is less space between scooter and Sleeping and more between Sleeping and TT, but I again would think it would be unfair for scooter to be between to cre-civs and stuck with the least amount of tiles between those two. Maybe I ask him for that info.

Anyway, back to the WB-file. I have set it up as written above and will try to reproduce exactly what everyone was doing. With the demos and at that point in time, I should be setup quite fine to do that - and that should in return give me not only a better understanding what everyone is doing but also why somebody had a GNP of 30 one or two turns before.

And now go tell me that I am not much too obsessed from this game

[Serdoa]

After talking with scooter, it seems I know now how our small continent looks like. Well, not exactly all tiles but at least the rivers and how much space is between all of us.

Apart from that, I have settled my second city this turn (22) on a hill, much later then I had planned, but it is now guarded by an axe and a warrior and should soon be reinforced with another axe, so I think I am save for some time. I have also discovered TW and will road soon enough to it. Though, I still have only one worker and would like to have 3 by now. But then I would only have my 3 warriors and maybe not even them, so no good deal. Anyway, I will probably build one for one turn, then whip it to completion. And the overflow will give another axe, so that I also can start and fogbust. Or I build another settler, whip it to completion, use the overflow for a worker and the overflow of that build for an axe. Have to calculate if I can somehow do that first though

Pictures will come, I have already taken them.

[Serdoa]

Delhi founded (has to be renamed)

[Serdoa]

And Vienna, my cap, at turn 22:

[zakalwe]

So, I decided to give up the two fish spot for now and moved my settler accordingly. If Dazed wants to he can settle there.

Why did you change your mind? Have you ceded the coastal site to him or just decided to go for the in-land site first?

[Serdoa]

Well, basically I took that site because it is better defendable. If I had taken the other site, Dazed with his higher culture could within a few turns walk directly next to the city. And a site on flatland with (at most) 20% culture and really near to his cap would not be defendable. Now, on a hill with soon to be 20% culture and 25% fortify bonus things look differently. Even if I cannot get reinforcements there that quickly (and for now my troops there are sufficient), I will still defend with a 8.5 axe against his 5.0 axe.

And as he has only one axe right now and I will have a second there soon, that will be enough that he does (hopefully) not even think about it.

But to answer your other question: Dazed decided to not answer my email and not even try to negotiate anything. So I ceded nothing officially. And I am not sure what I should think about that - one thing is sure: He will for a long time never be an ally for me.

[Serdoa]

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More to come soon - that is only to get you lurkers interested




Oh, and when we are at it: Does somebody know a better picture-upload then imageshack?

[pocketbeetle]

That looks like a pretty dead city to me.

What's wrong with Imageshack btw?

[Serdoa]

I miss some pics and some which are there due not show up in forums (like the vienna pic above) - well, maybe its only my connection. I hope so at least. Still, the ones missing in imageshack I will have to reupload I think. And I would like to make sure that I do not have to do that several times.

Ok, away from Imageshack, on to the war:

As you can see in the above picture, PB is right. That city is dead. The story behind it: I have stated here in my thread and in an email to Dazed that I would be willing to discuss settlements. But he never answered my email. Therefore I started right the next turn to think about what to do and tracked his movements as good as I could and acted accordingly. Like if it was a chess game - or a trap. And it seems it worked.

Today I wrote him the following email:

Dazed,

you will notice that we are at war right now. I am unhappy with that situation but you refused to even try to talk with me about settlements and that can not go unanswered.

If you want to save your city I am open for your suggestions for peace.

Kind regards,
Serdoa

He wrote back

Serdoa,

I apologize for not getting back to you sooner after your last message. It has not been intentional -- I haven't been able to respond to any of the other player's diplomatic messages either but I won't bore you with the details of what kept me away from diplomacy the last few days. I understand that it made me seem unwilling to talk about settling. I am sorry that it has led to war. When I get the save I will look at the situation and determine what my next step is and let you know.

To be fair, I think it is only right that we remember that you chose to settle south towards me without discussing locations either. The fact that you chose to settle near me without an agreement in place means that you were at risk of not knowing where I would settle either. I cannot accept all the responsibility for the situation that has led to your declaration of war.

I'll follow up with you as soon as I see the situation (over lunch for me if I have the save by then).

Dazed

He is right with that I also settled there without an agreement. Well, I settled there because I knowed that he would be going there. And at least, I got defenders with me.

Now I hope he will see that it is best to sue for peace any way he can think of, because otherwise his city will be razed and gone. And that would kick him out of this game pretty much as all others will have at least 3 cities before he can have his second (and thats without me going on with that war). But I am not sure what he could give me for peace. I have lost quite some time due to it, so I would want at least his next settler and worker - and if he gives in to that, he again is pretty much out of the competition.

I also talked already with scooter and TT about it and I know that Dazed told scooter and SleepingMoogle about the war. The thing is, I have a NAP till turn 75 with TT (and he seems to be willing to work with me anyway) and I have a close cooperation with scooter. So no help from those sides. SleepingMoogle is too far away, I do not think he will even be able to do anything (and I would not see why he would want to anyway).

Yes, I am happy with how this is setup. The only bad thing is that Dazed is with his back to a wall right now, so I hope he will not try to bite no matter that he can't win that way.

[pocketbeetle]

I think you may have made an error when copy/pasting the Vienna url.

In your post the url is:
http://a.imageshack.us/img715/6637/turn22vienna.jpg

It should be:
http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/6637/turn22vienna.jpg

So Vienna:



Other options are Photobucket, Tinyurl, Dropbox, but I have to say I infinitely prefer Imageshack.

Don't forget you can resize the pictures btw, it looks like you're using 15inch setting at the moment, which is fine, but 17inch is also nice for seeing detail.