September 7th, 2011, 15:10
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Lynch:
3v: zakalwe ( Rowain, Injera, uberfish )
2v: Twinkletoes89 ( zakalwe, Meiz )
2v: scooter ( Gaspar, Sareln )
1v: Rowain ( Serdoa )
1v: Roland ( MNG )
1v: uberfish ( Lewwyn )
1v: Injera ( Catwalk )
Not voted (6): Ichabod, Jkaen, erebus, scooter, Twinkletoes89, Roland
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September 7th, 2011, 15:17
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I agree with others that I originally read it as a joke towards Lewwyn's & Gaspar's "uberfish is always a werewolf", but I didn't comment at first and read everyone elses comments first. Then I slept on it.
For the average villager the biggest issue is we don't know what uberfish's actual role is.
If he's a wolf, then the wolf responses would be damage control, minimizing his actions while trying to convince him to keep playing. [Roland, Serdoa, Rowain, Twinkletoes, Gaspar, Scooter]
If he's innocent, then the wolf response is to either get rid of him now before things get worse or to paint him untrustworthy. [Zakalwe, Catwalk, Lewwyn]
Injera and myself didn't really comment until after the reveal was done, and Ichabods and Meiz comments were rather non-commital.
As villager my first instinct was to vote him off, then to let him stew and see if he just straight quit thus not wasting a lynch on him. I also wanted to see if this was a ploy.
The issue is one of circular logic without knowing Uberfish's role. I saw we leave Uberfish alone for now and watch him.
However, one persons response in particular disturbed me. That's Zakalwe.
Apparently he didn't learn his lesson from WW6 about using up our precious vig-kills when he caused Kuro killed. Or did he.
The always analytical Zak never approached this from the possibility that Uberfish was villager. He never had any doubts and went straight for the throat, a strange play for Zak unless he knew that Uberfish's claim was a farce. As MJW put it: Zak has a reputation to live up to, and I don't believe he did so in this respect. As such he seems very suspicious to me.
September 7th, 2011, 15:21
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Erebus Wrote:I agree with others that I originally read it as a joke towards Lewwyn's & Gaspar's "uberfish is always a werewolf", but I didn't comment at first and read everyone elses comments first. Then I slept on it.
For the average villager the biggest issue is we don't know what uberfish's actual role is.
If he's a wolf, then the wolf responses would be damage control, minimizing his actions while trying to convince him to keep playing. [Roland, Serdoa, Rowain, Twinkletoes, Gaspar, Scooter]
I think you'll find that my message wasn't minimising his actions or damage control!
"You want to take my city of Troll%ng? Go ahead and try."
September 7th, 2011, 15:36
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Catwalk Wrote:I also find Injera's blunt dismissal of the theory that uberfish really is a wolf to be suspicious.
I'm not discounting the possibility that uberfish is a wolf, I was just saying that the initial post was, frankly, too absurd to take realistically. If uberfish really decided he didn't want to play the game I think he would have asked to be mod-killed; he wouldn't play the game just trying to get lynched. There would be no post at all. Clearly he was going to post some sort of follow-up contradicting that post eventually.
That doesn't mean it can't be a wolf gambit, though it seems to me to be a high risk one without much reward, so I'm more interested in looking at the people who jumped on it opportunistically.
September 7th, 2011, 15:52
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I concede I may be a pot calling the kettle black when it comes to TT. We did react pretty similarly to the Uberfish gambit, and we both thought it would be very bad villager play, which made it an easier choice to push for a lynch.
So the main difference is I pushed a bit harder for the lynch than TT did. I don't think a wolf would push so hard in this situation? It now seems unlikely to me that Uberfish is a wolf, so a wolf would obviously smell a rat, knowing that Uberfish is innocent, and avoid involving himself in a potentially compromising way.
That said, maybe TT is innocent too. Perhaps a better line of inquiry is to look at those who allegedly thought it was a joke. Like Uberfish said, he didn't intend it to be an obvious joke, and he didn't phrase it as such. If people said it was an obvious gambit or an obvious ploy, then maybe I'd buy it, but saying it was an obvious joke seems like a stretch.
Or maybe we should just look at those who kept their heads low, which is always a natural instinct for the wolves. After he just placed the fourth vote on me, building a solid bandwagon, I find myself suspecting Erebus. There was nothing sinister about my suggestion to use the vig kill this time around. It would be a logical alternative if there was already a large consensus to lynch Uberfish. Of course, that consensus never materialized, but there was nothing unsound about my suggestion.
I need to think this through. I'll park my vote on MNG for now, since lynching a lurker might be a good fall-back, and he has just one post, which didn't make much sense to me.
If you know what I mean.
September 7th, 2011, 15:56
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Rowain Wrote:Don't worry I expect him to move to his other preferrred targets ( MNG or myself ) soon.
You called it!
"You want to take my city of Troll%ng? Go ahead and try."
September 7th, 2011, 16:04
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Erebus Wrote:The always analytical Zak never approached this from the possibility that Uberfish was villager. He never had any doubts and went straight for the throat, a strange play for Zak unless he knew that Uberfish's claim was a farce. As MJW put it: Zak has a reputation to live up to, and I don't believe he did so in this respect. As such he seems very suspicious to me.
This isn't accurate. You're saying I never approached this from the angle that Uberfish might be a villager? That's exactly what I did, and concluded that a villager would never claim to be a wolf as it would just be ludicrously bad village play. I have mellowed a little now, and on balance I now think it's most likely that Uberfish is a villager who thinks this is good village play. It could also be brilliant wolf play, but that seems less likely. I just don't think the wolves would gamble like that, in a setup that's already very winnable, particularly since it's hard to pin down what exactly they would have been hoping to gain, that they couldn't also achieve through more conventional play.
If you know what I mean.
September 7th, 2011, 16:12
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Twinkletoes89 Wrote:You called it!
Dammnit, and I wanted to get in a post counting down to his next post where he backpedals against his earlier targets, and then throws his vote someplace completely different. :neenernee Stupid work getting in the way...
Anyway, I suppose I should add my thoughts to the mix here. So far, the one mostly coming off as a 'Wolf to me right now is Catwalk. I'm trying to reserve judgment, because he's new and I have no idea what his playstyle is like, but that's the vibe I'm getting - and it's getting stronger instead of weaker.
On the contrary, Injera strikes me a bit like Jkaen during his first game - probable Villager due to newbie-ish posting. At least, that's the vibe I got off his thoughts on uberfish. Catwalk's completely opposite reading of the same post firmed up my suspicions a bit more.
I don't have too much of a read on anyone else at the moment (too many distractions at work), but I am rather anxiously awaiting more input from Rowain and Serdoa, in particular, as I've grown to respect their thoughts. I'd also like to hear more from Meiz, Sareln, and a few others I'm sure I'm forgetting, just to get a better read on them. At this point, there's so few people I have any semblance of a bearing on I'm thinking it'd be best to have some more discussion. We have to thank uberfish for that much, at least - without his gamble we probably wouldn't have nearly as much to talk about.
Still withholding my lynch vote for the moment. Not feeling too confident about my suspicions yet, but getting some ideas of both suspects and innocents, so that's good at least. Oh, and I have internet at home now (YAY!), so at least I can follow the thread tonight. 
September 7th, 2011, 16:18
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Twinkletoes89 Wrote:You called it!
MNG has just one post, where he simultaneously nominates Roland for mayor and votes to lynch him. I don't think it's a bad place to park my vote while I think.
Feel free to ridicule me, but I'm trying to vote for probable wolves, not just people who annoy me.
If you know what I mean.
September 7th, 2011, 16:20
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Just to add another thing to consider - here's the post counts so far:
zakalwe 16
Rowain 12
Meiz 8
Catwalk 7
uberfish 6
Roland 6
Twinkletoes89 6
Lewwyn 5
Ichabod 4
Gaspar 3
Sareln 3
Serdoa 3
Injera 3
Mardoc 2
scooter 2
Erebus 2
Mr. Nice Guy 1
"You want to take my city of Troll%ng? Go ahead and try."
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