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@AdrienIer.
you have spoken against torturing several times but switched after zaks: "we can clear a lurker that way"-argument. What is your stance now as it seems MA will be lost anyway?
@novice your take now?
@Lewwyn are you anywhere?
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(August 5th, 2015, 09:34)Rowain Wrote: @Serdoa
If I see it right there are currently no tie-break rules in place for lynch and torturing. What happens if 2 (or more or no -torture) have the same number of votes?
A loud voice, louder than anything you ever heard, anything you could imagine, booms into your consciousness: "CHAOS".
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(August 5th, 2015, 09:53)Rowain Wrote: @AdrienIer.
you have spoken against torturing several times but switched after zaks: "we can clear a lurker that way"-argument. What is your stance now as it seems MA will be lost anyway?
Assuming MA shows up sometime during the next 26h he can tell us what the torturing did to him. If not we at least get infos on the effects of torturing (perhaps through the torturer, or through Serdoa directly). If he's going to die we might as well do some "safe" experiments on him while we can.
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Apart from that, standard rules apply (e.g. first one to the tie-breaking number gets the torture).
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(August 5th, 2015, 10:11)Serdoa Wrote: (August 5th, 2015, 09:34)Rowain Wrote: @Serdoa
If I see it right there are currently no tie-break rules in place for lynch and torturing. What happens if 2 (or more or no -torture) have the same number of votes?
A loud voice, louder than anything you ever heard, anything you could imagine, booms into your consciousness: "CHAOS".
Wut ?
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(August 5th, 2015, 10:11)Serdoa Wrote: (August 5th, 2015, 09:34)Rowain Wrote: @Serdoa
If I see it right there are currently no tie-break rules in place for lynch and torturing. What happens if 2 (or more or no -torture) have the same number of votes?
A loud voice, louder than anything you ever heard, anything you could imagine, booms into your consciousness: "CHAOS".
Looks to me Serdoa is a god 
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(August 5th, 2015, 09:41)Gazglum Wrote: So are you still in favour of torturing Marcus, or not?
(August 5th, 2015, 10:12)AdrienIer Wrote: Assuming MA shows up sometime during the next 26h he can tell us what the torturing did to him. If not we at least get infos on the effects of torturing (perhaps through the torturer, or through Serdoa directly). If he's going to die we might as well do some "safe" experiments on him while we can.
If he does show up and show contribution I would be inclined to switch back to a no vote for today.
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@Adrien & BRick
To get results the torturer has to step forward and announce the result. So we expose our day-scanner to get info about someone who is likely to get lynched/modkilled anyway.
If it is like (IIRC Gazglum) suspected that the consequences get more severe the more we torture we lose a cheap torure-chance for no gain.
Not to mention all the possible sideeffects.
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Brick on human rights violations:
(August 4th, 2015, 13:28)BRickAstley Wrote: I agree we should use it, but we need to be careful, since it could have drastic consequences. And we have no idea who is the torturer, or what their alignment is. = we should torture (carefully)
(August 4th, 2015, 16:32)BRickAstley Wrote: I guess my concern is that how this was presented, it feels less of a nice big village hammer to counteract a nail gun. Especially with the warning about side effects. It feels more of a double edged sword, with no counterpart, than can work equally well for either side by itself.
Although we won't really really know til we use it on someone and see what they say it does. If they are trustworthy to report that back. = Ambivalent on torture, but if we use it, we should use it on someone who will report back
(August 5th, 2015, 07:35)BRickAstley Wrote: I'm still not all too keen about using it without knowing the repercussions, but seeing as it's been placed so prominently among us, I am getting the feeling that not using it might put us at a slight disadvantage to whatever powers the gods have. I'll join in with a vote for Marcus Aurelius since he still has not posted, and maybe getting scanned/transmogrified will shake him awake or get us information to go on. = We should torture, and it should be Marcus despite saying before it should be someone we can trust to report
(August 5th, 2015, 09:34)BRickAstley Wrote: Just to be clear, I still don't like the idea of torture very much. I think it's a double edged sword and we should be very careful who we do it to, so that we don't turn someone alignment against us, or take out a power role, or something. I consented to using it on our unknown lurker because if he doesnt participate, he is going to likely be day 1 lynched or modkilled, and this would allow us to then gain some info about how it works without doing any significant harm, since MA is doomed if he doesnt show anyways.
Thinking over that now, the only info we would really get is the torturer read, if we dont actually hear anything back from the torturee.
= Back to ambivalent on torture, and uses exact phrasing again of double edged sword (makes it feel a bit more constructed to me)
(August 5th, 2015, 10:17)BRickAstley Wrote: If he [Marcus Aurelius] does show up and show contribution I would be inclined to switch back to a no vote for today.
= We shouldn't torture anyone but Marcus
Brick's changed his position a lot, while the circumstances haven't changed at all. And now peopel are being quiet as the clock runs out on the torture deadline - its in 90 minutes or so, isn't it?
I think we should torture Brick.
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