WW20: Legend of the Undercity

[Ichabod]

Ichabod, with votes as:

novice (4) - bigger brick lewwyn meiz
mattimeo (3) - novice, jkaen Pindicator
gaiusmarius (3) - gaz ichabod Q
bigger (2) - azza serdoa
ichabod (2) - gaius matt
Gazglum (1) – molach

You post: http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid338476

Ok, I just need to make Pindicator waste one more post before I turn on him and try to lynch him while he can answer his accusations.

So... Pretty hot wheater today, don't ya' think, Pindicator?

Don't want to lynch Novice, Bigger claim seems legit, people don't want to vote for Gaius...

Mattimeo

I don't remember anything suspicious about him, but I have things in favour of the others, so...

I'd prefer Gaius, though... No one fancy a switch?

Why do you think people don't want to vote Gaius, when he is in second place. Your switch puts him to a place you seem to be so depressed. Why are you so reluctant to revote him, despite me cheering that he's a good target. You've posted a good case against Gaius yourself, but are now saying it's not that good lynch and Matt is better, who you have no case for.


I think the wolf team of novice, Ichabod and Gaius are going down in flames, and are starting to panic at this point. Any target will do.

Crazy Meiz.

I didn't realize he was in second place. I thought both Bigger and Novice had 4 votes. But that's unimportant. What's important is that I had been voting for Gaius for one full day and no one seemed to want to vote for him, barring the people that were already doing it. Since my lynch preference is GM > Matt > Novice and Bigger, my switch made sense, in my eyes.

Then for the first time I can remember you say the GM case is good. But why should I vote for him and leave Novice (whom you were voting for) in the lead? Just because you said so? Heck, no!

And I think you should point for me the good case I made against GM, I don't remember doing it.

Anyway, if you think GM is a wolf, let's lynch him. Tomorrow we can reassess wheter you vigkilled a packmate or I bussed a packmate.

[GaiusMarius]

So, I'd defend myself against all these votes headed my way, but I've already addressed all the legitimate arguments that have come my way. Ichabod admits himself that it's not a good case on me and it is mostly "gut feeling," which I can't possibly refute. My "asking for confirmation" was already explained to be intended as a rhetorical device, and I don't see how waiting to form an opinion until I heard an argument Ichabod said he had prepared is bad at all. I can't believe that I'm his best target with everything else that has been said today.

In fact, let's look at Ichabod. Erratic play day 1, until he's threatened, then he begins to play well. He mentions that he has a great argument against gazglum, but fails to deliver anything of sustenance. Lately, once out of suspicion once more, he's bouncing around between Bigger, and Mattimeo, and ultimately winds up on me, saying there's nobody better to vote for.

As with novice, I'll vote to save myself if it comes to that, but my vote is still on Ichabod for the moment.

[Meiz]

I don't really believe you Ichabod, you should know the posts you've made today.

My lynch order would be Ichabod -> Novice -> Gaius (who is lurking so much it hurts and his guilt depends so much on you alignment). So novice

[novice]

As with novice, I'll vote to save myself if it comes to that, but my vote is still on Ichabod for the moment.

You could join me on Mattimeo.

[Ichabod]

I don't really believe you Ichabod, you should know the posts you've made today.

My lynch order would be Ichabod -> Novice -> Gaius (who is lurking so much it hurts and his guilt depends so much on you alignment). So novice

This interaction was completely crazy, Meiz...

Anyway, Mattimeo

[novice]

Novice (4) - Bigger Brick Leewyn Meiz
Mattimeo (4) - Jkaen Novice Pind Ichabod
Gaius (2) - Gazglum Q
Bigger (2) - Azza Serdoa
Ichbaod (2) - Gaius Mattimeo
Gazglum (1) - Molach

[Serdoa]

This is my ability: I can send a private message to a player every night. I send it to uber, he sends it on to the player of my choice. I can't lie and pretend to be someone else, I have to .

Last night I sent a message to Serdoa.

I never received a message via uberfish from you Bigger. I did target with my ability zak last night and got the information from uberfish that I still have it because he died. I first thought that could be the same for you because Gaspar died as well, but of course that makes no sense, uberfish should not decide on his own to not sent the message just because the content doesn't make sense anymore.

Tbh, I am at a loss. It makes no sense for you to lie about this, you know that I would tell the truth. I would really like to ask uberfish if he forgot to deliver your message - but I can see several powers which could be responsible for your message never reaching me, so I am not sure if it would be fair to do that. OTOH I could see you making this play as scum as well, because it is so unbelievable that scum would do that and you are certainly the player for unbelievable plays AND you had enough time to think about it.

Still, I think you deserve at least more time to tell us - especially as you still only had 2 votes on you I think when you now revealed, so there was actually imo not enough pressure for you to warrant such a risky play. But Bigger, I see it as your task to prove that you really did send a message.

And as that means I have to move my vote I consider Ichabod and novice right now. I saw some more posts happened in the meantime, so I'll post this and review what was written so far on those two.

[Ichabod]

I'm smelling a late bandwagon in me. Might as well point it out, since the last 3 posters said they'd like to kill me. Well, your loss, anyway.

Told you I couldn't get GaiusMarius lynched, Meiz...

Like I've said, we are very predictable...

[novice]

So village, are we really going to wait until 10 minutes before deadline to decide this lynch?

[Molach]

Some observations about those with votes on them:
Bigger: He was under heavy attack by Gaspar day 1. So I'd rather vote someone not attacked by scum like that. I think it's prudent to consider the possibility of bussing but make them main targets for lynch I think is suboptimal. The letter could of course also be some bussing going on the other way - but best fit for me is that it is honest.
I trust you started off your message to Serdoa with a huge HEY LISTEN on it.

Gazglum: My attempt at scumhuntingfinding. No interest so far, disappointing. Epic with Gas, Gaz and Tas as scum. I think he always pops in when something is brought up against him. However he has answered without giving off mayor scum vibes, it was mostly the shifting to hang Ichabod (which I had foreseen & posted in the QT, giving me confirmation of my feeling).
There is movement on GaiusMarius, though, whom Gazglum attack day 1. If he is lynched innocent perhaps Gazglum will gain traction again. At least I can drop the case if Gaius is lynched and comes up dirty.

Novice: He is very hard to read when he's scum. He is a valuable villager. He is talking. I think he's talking more than last time he was scum. I do not have a hard-on for his case, and I think it's premature to lynch him day 2. If he turns up villager we'll be better off the more reads he has given us. For my part, I'm hovering around a neutral read which should mean something like 80% chance of village.

Mattimeo: My second favoured lynch and a target currently. I also noted the post voting for me, which for one thing was a very safe place to lay a vote today. I liked the start, obviously, but then he slaps a vote anyway. That is scummy. For the rest of the case, he is blending in, possibly lurking and a far better lynch than people who post more.

Gaius: I'll probably vote him over novice. Both will have low chance of being scum in my view, so better to preserve the veteran. Unfair, sure. As long as we win in the end no matter.

I'll be watching the lynch proceed, but barring some good reveal or claim I'm voting Mattimeo over Gaius over novice.

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I guess I didn't state for the record that BRick, while still my 2nd lynch option at dawn today (in-game) is now back in neutral-village camp. After Gaspar's flip I thought about the "If all BRick voters could vote Bigger plz" post Gaspar made (with not much time on the clock, 15 minutes or so I think) as a saving move on BRick, but the danger wasn't that great and am getting better vibes today.