WW26: The Masquerade [Game Thread]

[Muriel The Slow]

Sorry for the typos, I should calm down.

[Young Will]

I like percy's #912 post a lot. I'll have to pay attention to Harry, i didn't before.

its looking like muriel and saul are both scum, and edith and harry are possibilities. but I think we have to lynch muriel - it gives the most information (especially in regards to Saul), resolves issues we've had since the beginning of the game - and finally just gets rid of someone thats cursing and insulting everyone else, which isn't unimportant, imo.

I don't really see how she could be innocent.

[Sir Percival]

I do not want to believe my scans any more. I don't think you should either. There is too much unknown. I relied too much on them too much. And worse, they make it so now people talk about my scans more than they talk about finding wolves. So please stop talking about my scans; we can only find wolves by finding scummy actions.

Know-Nothing Jon is village, I say. I think if he was wolf he would have jumped on me after we miss-lynch Kate, because he had been pushing me all game little at a time. So there is his golden moment but he does not take it? I think that means he is more interested in finding out truth than in getting people lynched.

I do not like Sir Percival. He has been on the background all game and has a fake posting style. And when questioned about it his reasoning is bad and defensive. Lots of people get points for openly discussing and trying to figure out stuff but Percy has not been.

what the fuck am i reading. this post is all sorts of bad.

lets start from top. first, u do not want to believe ur scans anymore. does this mean u believed them from kate's death to now? you then say too much unknown. so u vote for someone whose alignmnet wont clarify shit about what could be perfectly good seer result, just opposite. u then decry people for using ur scans to derive scum tells. reactions to this are potentially very good indicator of scum, as they likely to rule out or ignore possibility that they know not true. ur one of main offender on that note, and it does not put u in good light.

then, final paragraph. i been attacking and pushing muriel since first day. only time i relented was during kate's wolfscan. this is not "background" play. i havent hidden this posting style is forced, and been completely honest when questioned about it. to effectively say i done nothing is pure bullshit, and sound like someone desperate for case to push.

ur really making me reconsider my misguided village lean towards bumbling buffoon wolf, coz i dont see why a village would want to completely disregard potential seer result when clear test by ww standard of insanity cop vs fool seer exist. particularly when lynch coincide with player who under heavy suspicion since day 1.

[Young Will]

I do not want to believe my scans any more. I don't think you should either. There is too much unknown. I relied too much on them too much. And worse, they make it so now people talk about my scans more than they talk about finding wolves. So please stop talking about my scans; we can only find wolves by finding scummy actions.

Know-Nothing Jon is village, I say. I think if he was wolf he would have jumped on me after we miss-lynch Kate, because he had been pushing me all game little at a time. So there is his golden moment but he does not take it? I think that means he is more interested in finding out truth than in getting people lynched.

I do not like Sir Percival. He has been on the background all game and has a fake posting style. And when questioned about it his reasoning is bad and defensive. Lots of people get points for openly discussing and trying to figure out stuff but Percy has not been.

what the fuck am i reading. this post is all sorts of bad.

+1, liking Saul less and less with every post

[Muriel The Slow]

I like percy's #912 post a lot. I'll have to pay attention to Harry, i didn't before.

its looking like muriel and saul are both scum, and edith and harry are possibilities. but I think we have to lynch muriel - it gives the most information (especially in regards to Saul), resolves issues we've had since the beginning of the game - and finally just gets rid of someone thats cursing and insulting everyone else, which isn't unimportant, imo.

I don't really see how she could be innocent.

Lynching me will not even give you anything on Saul. I will flip villager and you still won't know whether Saul is a wolf or a fool or even a seer.

[Fat Rose]

I agree, but I was not trying to make a case. Edith had made a huge post that was supposed to include every possible scenario, so that we can choose the one that has the highest chance of being correct. She asked for us to yell at her if she missed anything. She did, and I told her this. She refused to include it. The fact is that you did try to undermine the importance of the evidence, and it could have worked on the wolves. Whether you think that you managed to trick the wolves, the fact is that it is an option that should be considered. And the possibility that the wolves did get tricked by you just happens to be something that would have me as a villager in option A, instead of me being "most likely scum". Coincidence? Who knows.

Muriel, if the wolves got tricked and thought that Saul is not the seer I think it is safe to assume that he was not redirected when scanning Kate. That would mean that he is indeed the fool, which following that thought up would mean that his scan is completely random and doesn't tell us anything. It also would mean that him living does not - as you claim - would have you as villager in option A. Your explanation for that to be true was that "the wolves did not kill him because no matter if he had evidence or not, that would have cleared Muriel". But that's not true.

a) You could be a wolf and let him live because you know he would support not lynching you, no matter the evidence he has.
b) You could be a wolf and let him live because killing him would have shown another wolf. (and yes I know how highly unlikely it is for this to happen, but you seem always very keen on putting down ALL possibilities)
c) You could be a wolf and let him live because killing him would have shown that whatever his role is it is something that can wrongly indicate a wolf for a villager

C is what the wolves would have had to assume no matter what if you are a wolf and he claims you are not. Not that I can think of another role that would make me claim that I have evidence that someone is a villager besides seer in this game (well, watcher seeing you visit Easy Sarah on N1 maybe, but we knew who was our watcher at that point).

You might be a villager (at least that was my read for a part of this game and I'd hope I was not wrong defending you), but the way you act right now isn't making me lean that way anymore to be honest. Contrary to Rob I think your posting style and tone has changed considerably from D2 to now.

[Muriel The Slow]

Whatever conclusions you make from the piece of evidence are irrelevant. Maybe I was wrong that it would make it more likely that we are both villagers, but that wasn't the point anyway. The point was to include that evidence and that scenario as a possibility, because it is. I see no reason at all to make a big post listing all the scenarios if you were to dismiss some of them simply because you didn't agree with them. I see even less reason to attack someone for bringing up facts that others had overlooked.

[Know-Nothing Jon]

Muriel, who do you think are scum? If you voted for someone today, I missed it.

[Muriel The Slow]

Muriel, who do you think are scum? If you voted for someone today, I missed it.

I haven't yet. I'm currently re-reading to get my final thoughts posted.

[Know-Nothing Jon]

Fat Rose's post #926 is very good. Likewise for Percival's post #943.

Still kind of hard to believe that both Saul and Muriel are scum, though. It's just too fancy play, and if they wanted to save Muriel I don't see why both of them would pop their claim on the same night. Keep in mind that it would have to be a gambit that was planned well in advance, since Saul changed his play right from the beginning of day 2. Saul has been a bit scummy but I don't think his play makes any sense as scum unless Muriel is also scum, so that leads me to the paradoxical conclusion that he's innocent.

Muriel could of course still be scum, with Saul being either a random fool or an insane cop.

I like percy's #912 post a lot. I'll have to pay attention to Harry, i didn't before.

its looking like muriel and saul are both scum, and edith and harry are possibilities. but I think we have to lynch muriel - it gives the most information (especially in regards to Saul), resolves issues we've had since the beginning of the game - and finally just gets rid of someone thats cursing and insulting everyone else, which isn't unimportant, imo.

I don't really see how she could be innocent.

While I could perhaps be persuaded by the "we have to lynch Muriel" angle in your second paragraph, I have to wonder if you're really being honest when you conclude by saying that she cannot be innocent? I don't understand where that level of certainty is coming from. Don't you think it's possible that she's just a terrible villager?