--Dogpilers click here-- (PB7 Player Communication Thread)

[Nakor]

Sunrise:

Possibly. It would depend on a) your settling plans in my direction and b) how you treat my scout + your future military decisions around my territory. I'm certainly willing to open a dialogue though.

Good! Let's assume that we have plans for maybe 1 city somewhere SW of where your scout is now, would that go well with you?
Regarding your scout... what do you want us to do with him?
We've kept our corner of this wasteland free from prying eyes so far and would like to keep doing this....

[Nakor]

Oh, my list of preferences:

*Continue with current rules and Mist.
*Continue with current rules and new admin.
*Change rules.

I reserve the right to change my mind again if there is a new ruleset that makes sense and sees wide support.

Do I sound just like Sunrise there:

I do however think that it would be best if LP found a replacement player since I don't get the feeling that his gameplay will change. Despite being an optimist just like Plako...

[Lord Parkin]

Please stop unfairly criticizing me. I recieved this suggestion in my thread, and I thought it was good enough that I'd leave it open for the other players to decide.

I'd like to make a gentle suggestion for you guys (LP in particular). Could you maybe offer to unilaterally refrain from double moving, turn timer tricks for some time, number of turns etc. in order for the game to keep going and staying simple (without additional rules).

I was trying to be helpful and offer a thought up to the masses, and in return I receive hair-trigger abuse.

...

How can I say this without inviting further meanness.

Be constructive, rather than cruel?

[Nakor]

LP, I understand you are trying to be helpfull and show us your goodwill. I have no problem with that.
However, you're mentioning to behave "for a while" is exactly what I don't understand. If we want this game to be played in the spirit it was intended you should propose to behave for the rest of the game. And if you're to competitive (and I think you are, and that's a great asset in other games), I feel you should step down for this particular game.
I've no problem with playing against you in another more competitive game, but that's not PB7.

[pindicator]

So LP, I want to first say I'm sorry I was being snarky earlier instead of posting any criticism constructively. I remember you from when I frequented civfanatics and I know from your posts over there that you're a good guy and remember you being a positive and welcoming to newcomers at those forums. So I know you're not trying to be difficult.

But you do see where your last post caused issues, right?

I don't think anybody here doesn't want you to be competitive. Just for you to turn it down a couple notches. Everybody would like to win this, sure, but in a game where the starts and the land that people have vary so wildly, how can a victory really mean anything in a competitive sense? So why risk the camaraderie and friendship of the people here for a victory? I guess the best way to put it is to ask yourself if winning the game but having everyone upset at you for how you won is worth it. In a casual game, that answer needs to be a 'no'.

And if it helps, maybe we need to get an ultra-balanced competitive game going to help channel some of that energy in a positive manner


Edit: Dang, I type slow. X-post with a few people

[Lewwyn]

You can't even see it can you? The suggestion in your thread is completely missing the point. You were trying to calm the masses so we could play, forget your transgressions and when you needed to you'd simply rehash your double mover turn-timing tricks. You realize that none of us are doing that? None of us are double moving or abusing the timer the way you have? Even ASM only went crazy because he had to deal with you. You were holding the turn before ASM was and he began doing it just to try and offset your ultra competitiveness.

I remember one turn I ended turn and within SECONDS you had logged in and started moving. It was absolute insanity to me.

I was trying to avoid and direct confrontation with you. I was trying to avoid having to comment directly on the situation at all. But your "for a while" is insulting. That's all there is to it. I'm not sure I want to play this game if I have to deal with you and your ultra competitiveness.

I can think of nothing constructive because that would require rules which ruin the entire purpose of this game. The whole problem is that there is nothing to stop a player who wants to powergame.

Did you even read what people wrote when we signed up for this game? Or did you just look at the sign-ups and think, "Lambs to the slaughter!"

[Lewwyn]

So LP, I want to first say I'm sorry I was being snarky earlier instead of posting any criticism constructively. I remember you from when I frequented civfanatics and I know from your posts over there that you're a good guy and remember you being a positive and welcoming to newcomers at those forums. So I know you're not trying to be difficult.

Dude that's the thing. I have no problem with LP outside of a game setting. But I simply do not want to play this game with him. Obsessive people are obsessive. You can't change that. Once its in a game setting, he can't help himself. He's like an addict.

[Lord Parkin]

What does "not being competitive" actually mean to people? Do they wish that I would never make another double move in the course of the game? Surely that would be rather an unreasonable expectation, if it is to remain a tactic freely available to everyone else. If we were to change the rules so that tactic was not available to anyone, then of course I would be happy to oblige.

What I was trying to articulate with my earlier post is that, in addition to being perfectly willing to generally tone way down the competitiveness, I'm also willing - if desired - to commit to a specific "penalty" period where I wouldn't double move anyone at all. You have to understand why I would feel it unreasonable to have that "penalty" period extended to the whole game.

I can see where people might have misunderstood me, but please understand that was not my intention. I hope the toxic, vicious posts will stop here.

[SevenSpirits]

What does "not being competitive" actually mean to people? Do they wish that I would never make another double move in the course of the game? Surely that would be rather an unreasonable expectation, if it is to remain a tactic freely available to everyone else. If we were to change the rules so that tactic was not available to anyone, then of course I would be happy to oblige.

What I was trying to articulate with my earlier post is that, in addition to being perfectly willing to generally tone way down the competitiveness, I'm also willing - if desired - to commit to a specific "penalty" period where I wouldn't double move anyone at all. You have to understand why I would feel it unreasonable to have that "penalty" period extended to the whole game.

I can see where people might have misunderstood me, but please understand that was not my intention. I hope the toxic, vicious posts will stop here.

I don't personally have a problem with you/your last post but I can see how someone would:

The main issue that people have had is apparently with me playing too competitively. So how about I agree to behave how others wish for a while

You are putting forth "behaving for a while" directly as a solution to "me playing too competitively". I guess you've already realized this.

[Lewwyn]

I log in once a day. Only once. That is what I have done for every turn in this game. I do not stress and log in to see what else has happened. I log in, I play my turn I log out and I move on. That is what I call "not being ultra-competitive".

For a constructive idea I suggest single players are allowed to log in once a day and teams are allowed a few more log-ins.

Noone is double moving anyone. That penalty period of all game already applies to everyone LP. You're the only one gunning for double moves. That is the point you keep missing. You act as though not being able to double move is a handicap. It's not its the norm.

I'm actually not even close to being toxic. I simply don't want to play the game the way you do or be forced to play it like you do. And I'm willing to quit if I have to. I am ASM's direct neighbor. Once you've conquered him, I would have to deal with you. I do not want to have to worry constantly about being double moved or about seeing you log in every hour and wonder if I should log in and do something. I COULD. But I don't want to. I just want to be relaxed, log in once a day, log out, move on.

Do you understand? No logging in all the time. No intentional double-moves. No planning to double-move. This is what you're missing. This is what you don't understand. You see the 2 hour time limit as the time limit that everyone will use against you so you have to use it against everyone first. But guess what. No one else is doing that. Everyone resents you for doing it.