Very busy right now, I'll make some comments tonight. Two immediate thoughts:
1. Want to make a public defensive pact with Blame Caledorn against rome, i.e. if they declare on one of us, we both are at war? Just get an ally on our side.
2. And it looks like other teams get riverside gold. I wonder what our advantage is in this map.
Edit: Worker near Washington, want to road a forested tile in Berkeley in preparation for mathematics? Otherwise, could find another tile to cottage (if in berkeley) or mine (if in washington). We do want to have chain irrigation for the corn somehow, which IIRC can come from the south.
- between Cornell and UIllinois?
- close to India's city#6 with cow, spices and flood plains in BFC?
- somewhere else?
We might want to close borders with LP next turn if no reply to our msg and their warrior keep exploring our core.
Another option send chariot or scout to explore their core now.
I would suggest we settle city 8 between Cornell and UIllinois (we badly need riverside grassland cottages, and there's corn there as well), but can we get a quick dot map of that region soon? Is it okay if you take a screenshot of that area (with tile yields on) so we can plan out thecities we'll be founding there?
I sent LP and Arki (the person who last posted in Orgy thread) a PM asking for a quick response just to ensure that our diplomacy is still open.
Yes, another option is to send our scout to explore. Why don't we keep our scout near their borders, and we can send him there soon. Quick question: units in other civ lands do cost maintenance just as if they were out in the open, right? But what I mainly want is a unit to explore Care Bears land, which is more important imo...
Still not finished the turn.
No South units moved.
Worker near UWash unmoved.
Settler on the way to plant between Cornell and UIllinois.
Chatted with Yuufo a lot.
CareBears wont do anything vs Rome, they prefer play defence. I agree thats best for them. Can we play defence vs Rome as well? Not sure.
Cities.
Stanford could finish the Axe next turn, if we like.
UIllinoise worker moved to chop another forest, he complete ir on t86, when Math is done.
We need a general plan for research after Math is done.
We need some counter actions toward Rome. Defence or offencive one, doesn't matter, need some plan, not just pray GG wont attack us.
Orgy is another unknown factor now. At least we could ignore settling deal withthem at some point.
I still keep units close, to prevent barbs spawn. I'm not sure its best for us, any improvements here?
I almost like the idea to surprisse GG with Spear+Axe+2-3Chars to try raze Antium again, before Iron connected.
We might think about build galley in UIllinois soon too. Just to naval assault Iron city.
CM: Keep growing while working the lighthouse. Perhaps grow back to size 7, then slow-build a worker? Also, do we want to continue working 2 scientists after turn 84? It might be a while before any city can get a new Great Scientist…
MIT: Grow to size 6 while finishing up barracks, then at size 6 either a worker or a military unit.
Stanford: Why don't we put hammers into library this turn, but we can switch back to the axe on turn 83 to have it done on turn 84? That axe will ideally go to Illinois. I would not whip the library just yet … we need the citizen working the four cottages we have. I'm finally glad we got a riverside cottage there!
Berkeley: Yes, library is fine.
Cornell: Want to grow to size 5, then whip a worker?
Illinois: Not much to say here …
Washington: Lighthouse next, as expected. The workboat will be there shortly …
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Workers: Do we have any available who can finish the road connection to Illinois? Some things we need:
1. Road to Illinois (as previously mentioned)
2. A few workers near Berkeley to either pre-chop or road on forests (in case we can get Hanging Gardens)
3. Possibly 1 worker to build another cottage or mine in the MIT/CM area. (yes, we need more)
4. Several workers near Cornell to cottage city #8 (Princeton). We should use the workers who finish the stone imo.
Maybe low priority: cottage another tile of Stanford? Right now Stanford is working 3 that the capital can claim, and Stanford will eventually be a great cottage city when it can grow larger.
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New cities: How about we found city 8 in your spot, then possibly city 9 (or 10, 11) on the grass hill 3 of the corn? It'll be our eastern-most front and on a hill so possibly useful against Care Bears later on. We can found another city south for the deer, but that needs to wait until later (and it's low priority anyway).
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Technology: After Mathematics, I think we should either head to Monarchy (picking up some cheap religious techs on the way) or Currency. Our cities are already approaching or at their happiness limits, so Monarchy would be a great help in that regard. Construction might make sense if we need to war, but I'm not sure if we want to commit ourselves to it that early.
Asterix post a reply. Next turn I close our deal wheat vs fish and maybe OB as well.
All they could do is pull out some chat msg from Oct 17, when we talked about similar strategy vs India, and blame it on me?
Asterix just ruined diplo for M&M long ago. Look at EP spending. All teams spend EP on M&M: LP, OS and India before they met Rome.
And nice talk about LP threat.
Well, I hope you glad to make NAP with India in the last turn. What we know long time ago, and you decide to go for t130 NAP, well played.
I think Asterix could be usefull still, but he is so unpredictable with diplo. At least hes better than GG.
I reply to him an angry msg, noted that its from me personally. Maybe it serve our team.
Quote:Hi,
I am still busy, but just to avoid some misunderstanding - it was not *me* asking you not to make NAP with India, it was the opposite - I was about to start NAp negotiations with them and told Teddy about it and you can see his response in the attached screenshot. The next thing I heard with you was that you just ... made a NAP with India. I never advocated war with Care Bears right now, it was Teddy hinting you may attack them as early as turn 75, which I did not think was a good idea.
Please forget what I said about Lord Parkin, in the current situation I do not feel comfortable sharing the info on which my warning was based.
We are still willing to be your allies but we think you should somehow "make up" to us for what happened. We did finally get the same NAP extension with India as you, but at the last moment and the very significant cost to us - we are convinced that nothing of this would happened if we went with our original plan to offer NAP extension to India early. What is also concerning that you negotiating NAP with India behind our back was a bad play - it was pretty clear that India cannot afford to alienate us both, so if we would stick together, as was the original plan, we would be both safe and we had guaranteed NAP extension with India.
As I said, do whatever you want with Orgynized diplo, we have no hints whatsover in that direction. And if you want to make us some good will offer, we are all ears .
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:25:55 18/10/2013)
i have nap till 80
LexIVn (06:26:00 18/10/2013)
i know
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:26:32 18/10/2013)
i do not think you have much army now - i keepscouting him, never saw more than 2 warriors together
LexIVn (06:26:44 18/10/2013)
u keep OB with them. did u planning to get trade route soon?
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:26:58 18/10/2013)
i meant "yuufo", it gets autocorrected to "you"
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:27:34 18/10/2013)
the more i thought about the great wall, the more i was getting excited about using espionage on india
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:27:44 18/10/2013)
do not have tr yet, but should have soon
LexIVn (06:27:48 18/10/2013)
our team 2nd in mfg right now, but Yuufo is 1st
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:28:04 18/10/2013)
TR are giving very good EP discount
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:28:14 18/10/2013)
that was main reasone i wanted oB with India
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:28:47 18/10/2013)
do you know if his IMP bonus is included in MFG?
LexIVn (06:28:50 18/10/2013)
ok, i'll probably talk with india about trade rotes as well
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:28:59 18/10/2013)
he is also chopping a lot, cannot do it forever
LexIVn (06:29:07 18/10/2013)
no, i dont think its included
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:29:19 18/10/2013)
but he just got granaru in his capitol, so whipping will bemore effective for him
LexIVn (06:29:25 18/10/2013)
now u can chop after finish math
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:29:39 18/10/2013)
yeah
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:29:53 18/10/2013)
how far you are from connecting the stone?
LexIVn (06:29:55 18/10/2013)
we have 4 granaries for some time
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:30:01 18/10/2013)
wow
LexIVn (06:30:11 18/10/2013)
EXP is fun
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:30:28 18/10/2013)
do you problems with unhappiness?
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:30:43 18/10/2013)
as i said, some of our lurkers said we should pick Sury
LexIVn (06:30:50 18/10/2013)
not whip too much as u can see on scoreboard
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:31:10 18/10/2013)
i am frankly not following these things closely anymore
LexIVn (06:31:19 18/10/2013)
yup, me too
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:31:47 18/10/2013)
so with what you want to attack india at turn 75?
LexIVn (06:32:58 18/10/2013)
i didn't say we'll attack.
right now i'm thinking keep peace with them for some more turns
our power rating slightly above theirs right now
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:33:37 18/10/2013)
ah, but you said something like that it would be too late to attack them after T80?
LexIVn (06:33:46 18/10/2013)
we are just considering all options now, including attack on T75
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:34:15 18/10/2013)
so what units you can have at T75?
LexIVn (06:35:21 18/10/2013)
well, they had top MFG, and 2 coppers connected
i'm afraid T80 will be suicide for both of us.
we may try something funny alone on T75, but Yuufo competent enough to defend properly I'm afraid
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:35:56 18/10/2013)
and what about turn around 100?
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:37:23 18/10/2013)
and I still do not have a clear idea what kind of forces it would require to successfully attack Yuufo. What are your ideas?
LexIVn (06:37:24 18/10/2013)
see, i don't like us go for HBR, it would be suicide for us.
and India could easily produce enough spears to defend
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:37:44 18/10/2013)
now we can build only axes and chariots
LexIVn (06:38:06 18/10/2013)
did u connect copper?
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:38:08 18/10/2013)
so just axes and cats?
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:38:20 18/10/2013)
double movers are sometimes very handy
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:38:36 18/10/2013)
need couple more turns, it is far away from me
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:39:01 18/10/2013)
i have copper in the sec cod ring of my city #4
LexIVn (06:39:08 18/10/2013)
i saw
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:40:11 18/10/2013)
I will also not get construction before T80, my costs doubled with this aggresive city
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:40:41 18/10/2013)
you consider attacking gold city?
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:41:03 18/10/2013)
I am just scouting around the place when he blocked North passage
LexIVn (06:41:09 18/10/2013)
yup, costs are killing us too. i have no idea what India's cost looks like
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:41:40 18/10/2013)
Yuufo told me he does not "pay much" for all his cities, but I do not believe him
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:42:08 18/10/2013)
his GNP is very low - and he has +8 culture from Oracle ad Holy city
LexIVn (06:42:15 18/10/2013)
yup, he told its not a problem being FIN and all
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:42:36 18/10/2013)
well, i am FIN and it is a problem for me
LexIVn (06:42:56 18/10/2013)
our GNP just slightly better than his, but we are at 0% slider obv
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:43:14 18/10/2013)
looks like he is bluffing, he did not use the FIN argumanet on me, as I am FIN, too
LexIVn (06:43:40 18/10/2013)
he adopted confu this turn btw
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:43:49 18/10/2013)
yeah, i saw
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:43:59 18/10/2013)
you know why?
LexIVn (06:44:30 18/10/2013)
he has gold+silver and MC for forges (i'm almost sure its MC not Monarchy)
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:44:45 18/10/2013)
yes, i confirmed he got MC
LexIVn (06:44:55 18/10/2013)
probably planning to grow vertical now
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:45:02 18/10/2013)
so why he converted?
LexIVn (06:45:15 18/10/2013)
whip angry too much?
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:45:45 18/10/2013)
i do not remeber how it works - if he converts, he gets +1 happy from religion?
LexIVn (06:45:49 18/10/2013)
its a long way to forges and he needs granaries first
LexIVn (06:46:08 18/10/2013)
yup, in every city with state religion
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:46:28 18/10/2013)
so - what do you want me to do - or to ask?
LexIVn (06:47:00 18/10/2013)
i'm not sure what the best strategy for us now
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:47:09 18/10/2013)
me too
LexIVn (06:47:23 18/10/2013)
i'm assuming after math u r at 0% for some turns?
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:47:30 18/10/2013)
what were the variants you considered?
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:47:37 18/10/2013)
yeah
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:47:49 18/10/2013)
and i need to convert to slavery at some point
LexIVn (06:48:02 18/10/2013)
yup
LexIVn (06:49:36 18/10/2013)
problem is, we are still has no clear plan with our tech path.
we want fight India back, but there is still some land to peaceful expansion left.
and after u contact Pony, there is even more land...
LexIVn (06:50:15 18/10/2013)
what u relations with SutOxy now?
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:50:35 18/10/2013)
looks like there is a long stretch of ice between us - clear natural border - and if we pass that, that would mean war
LexIVn (06:50:45 18/10/2013)
i mean, u probably need a safe borders before go to war with India
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:51:06 18/10/2013)
answered them, they math was a bit faulty. why?
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:51:27 18/10/2013)
we have NAP until T135, should not be an issue
LexIVn (06:51:44 18/10/2013)
i still thinking about our 3 teams could work together
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:52:13 18/10/2013)
yeah, but i do not think they would be very helpful against India
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:52:24 18/10/2013)
or do they want to send units?
LexIVn (06:53:18 18/10/2013)
no, ofc not. they want to win, and sending units 30 tiles away from capital not helping
LexIVn (06:53:37 18/10/2013)
India is our problem
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:53:44 18/10/2013)
yeah, so i am focusing on India now
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:53:59 18/10/2013)
will have to go soon, so a couple practical questions:
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:54:36 18/10/2013)
i have a scout north of Yuufo's capitol - do you see his city there? is it worth scouting around?
LexIVn (06:54:52 18/10/2013)
no, i dont
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:55:04 18/10/2013)
would you trade me stone?
LexIVn (06:55:28 18/10/2013)
timing on stone connected TBD for us
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:55:57 18/10/2013)
the more i think about Great Spy, the more i convinced it will be extremely useful - pure domohacking would never tell us how yuufo's units are moving
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:57:30 18/10/2013)
the other solution for me is to try to go for Great Wall w/o stone - would be very costly, almost 2 cities :-( and you would trade me stone later and somehow we include the Great Spy investement in diving India's cities and land
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:57:52 18/10/2013)
masonry is also good for construction
LexIVn (06:58:16 18/10/2013)
i'm not ready to tell u what turn we'll connect stone.
i simply dont know yet. we have only 2 workers near new city and they have other things to do by now
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:58:40 18/10/2013)
and the city is not on the top of the stone, right?
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:59:07 18/10/2013)
I think the window to get the great wall is norrow - we do have Lord Parkin in here
LexIVn (06:59:14 18/10/2013)
no, its on the sign 'city5' on screenshot i've sent u
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:59:23 18/10/2013)
ok
LexIVn (06:59:33 18/10/2013)
i'm not sure LP interested in GW
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:59:51 18/10/2013)
and you said you do not want HBR - so what military technology you would pursue?
LexIVn (06:59:51 18/10/2013)
hes after Mids most likely
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:00:10 18/10/2013)
great wall would be cheap for him
LexIVn (07:00:22 18/10/2013)
well, if we delay war till knight, we'll provide our UU
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:00:42 18/10/2013)
till knights? that would be very late?
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:00:51 18/10/2013)
like turn 150-175?
LexIVn (07:01:35 18/10/2013)
earlier I hope, but if we go war before, i'm afraid we'll nedd cats also
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:01:46 18/10/2013)
I think that would be too late - Yuufo would have all the tim ein the world to reap benefits of all this land
LexIVn (07:02:20 18/10/2013)
do u have some more good land to expand right now?
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:02:26 18/10/2013)
spies are working as cats, too
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:02:37 18/10/2013)
i mean, in terms of city defences
LexIVn (07:03:00 18/10/2013)
well, not much culture defence for India anyway
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:03:05 18/10/2013)
i have scouted in a crazy around the world pattern, so i am not sure how much
LexIVn (07:03:31 18/10/2013)
u should settle gold soon anyway
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:03:46 18/10/2013)
suxy ox are claiming they are almost out of it - i have enough for at least couple cities, but not double-digit number
LexIVn (07:03:54 18/10/2013)
we are planning to settle next city towar India too
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:04:01 18/10/2013)
i do not have a dot map yet, but so far i have only 4 cities
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:04:36 18/10/2013)
actually, with religion, they are almost creative
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:04:42 18/10/2013)
and can build temples now
LexIVn (07:04:46 18/10/2013)
both OS and us is EXP, thats helps with early expansion
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:05:10 18/10/2013)
yeah, i would settle the gold and another city towards india - if yuufo would not beat me to it
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:05:35 18/10/2013)
maybe that is why they say they need more land
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:06:00 18/10/2013)
so, i have to go in couple of minutes
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:06:09 18/10/2013)
any conclusions?
LexIVn (07:06:32 18/10/2013)
ok, 1-2 min
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:06:47 18/10/2013)
I am listening
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:07:56 18/10/2013)
i was not considering attacking t80, can check how many units i can get by then
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:08:23 18/10/2013)
i will have horser and copper connected before T80
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:09:23 18/10/2013)
btw, are you waiting for me to finish the turn?
LexIVn (07:11:14 18/10/2013)
- we wont extend our NAP with India for now
- we may talk about trade routes and OB with them
- I'll keep u informed on any negotiation with India
- we are keep attack on T75 option open, but not expect u'll join us on T80, we'll talk later on T70-71
- our team much more like peaceful expansion for next 30 turns, but its TBD
- I'll tell u our stone connected timing closer to T70
LexIVn (07:12:38 18/10/2013)
end of turn: i was consulting with DMOC in the thread about some micro and units move
LexIVn (07:13:12 18/10/2013)
end the turn as u like
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:13:31 18/10/2013)
OK. I also think that attacking in turns 100-120 would be better - unless something alarming happens
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:13:51 18/10/2013)
but if we do not extend nap, we have to be ready also fo yuufo's attack
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:14:01 18/10/2013)
let us stay in touch
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:14:18 18/10/2013)
nice tallking with you, gotta run now - bye
LexIVn (07:14:48 18/10/2013)
let me think about all this 1-2 days.
please, dont start any NAP negotiations with India before.
LexIVn (07:14:55 18/10/2013)
nice talking with u too
I wonder what our advantage is in this map. 
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