Rev the Chainsaw boys this is going to get messy. :D
Some things just need to be told as they are.
How does it feel to be so utterly convinced of an idea that you cannot even consider the possibility that you are wrong Tasunke?
You have several themes going against me: Wireless comment in day 1, Bad votes for Mattimeo and Bigger in day 1, and a supposed ignoring of your accusations. But I have not ignored your accusations, you've just decided that I have! Either your refuse to read what I write, or you're being willfully ignorant of my defense in an attempt to get your mislynch. I'm not sure which it is.
Later on I hit the note again:
Where do I ignore your accusation? I freaking list every single one, and then go in depth about what I was thinking at the time and why my votes went as they did. Your best evidence is that I made anti-town votes in day 1, and I address them head on!
Your wireless accusation I met with the seriousness it deserved earlier:
Oh gee, look at who also latched onto the thinnest thread of an introductory post.
How do you know that both the Mattimeo and Bigger bandwagons were wolf based? I sure as hell don't know. Maybe every single Bigger voter at the end of the day was innocent? That sounds absurd on it's face, yet it's no less absurd than assuming that every single person who voted Mattimeo and then Bigger is guilty! Why must every wolf play be clever? How do you not recognize that you're making gigantic assumption about how the day went?
Instead, you've grown your post count from 37 -> 60 (23) while taking your total number of references to me from 15 -> 25 (10). You are obsessing but you've not brought anything new this entire day. Just the same tired (he made bad votes) accusations which I've done my best to address*. But you won't see that. You won't see that the wolves know the full situation as the Mattimeo wagon collapses but not us villagers. You won't acknowledge even the possibility that I could be innocent. You won't even acknowledge that I have addressed every point that you've made.
*Actually, now that I re-read this, you have made a new accusation today: that I started a run on Pindicator. Well yes, yes I did, how is this a wolf tell? You know why it makes sense as a villager? Because as a villager on the block it's not enough to make the case against lynching yourself, you also have to make a positive case for someone else. So I tease apart the day. I build lists and look at overlaps. I build a vote record and analyze it, and I find that the best vote is Pindicator. I make my posts just as the Euro-day is starting and surprise, the European players address it. How is this shocking? How is this some proof of malice?
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Okay, now that I'm done (uselessly) shouting at Tasunke
... I saw a JKaen comment (about Pindicator) in the thread that I want to address.
Some things just need to be told as they are.
Tasunke Wrote:Of you, I hope, you could see the wisdom in voting Sareln at this time. As a villager he has learned how to lurk *well*. I will admit that in WW11? 12? He played a good WW game, but right now it seems that the wolves may be trying some sort of *cute* strategy or something because, other than propping Novice up for mayor, I haven't seen any clever plays yet enacted by the wolves (that I could see). Therefore, I can see how even though Sareln played a wolf well in that game, he might not be able to now. Particularly telling is with how much vigor Novice and Gaspar defended his "innocence."
What is interesting is that Sareln's argument against his lynch (or rather, his argument directly towards me at least) is that I have been simply repeating the same idea with little to no evidence. His adoption of two wolf-based BWs seems, at least to me, to at least be moderate evidence (or at least little to moderate evidence) ... but NO evidence? The fact that he would emphasize an idea that there is no evidence whatsoever (what he did) or even to simply place it on the continuous range (zero to little vs little to moderate) seems, to me, an exagerration.
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Not really sure what to think about the Ichabod wagon ... but I KNOW* that we should have a good lynch with Sareln. So I would ask the Ichabod voters to reconsider Sareln.
*well, obviously I don't know, but still.
How does it feel to be so utterly convinced of an idea that you cannot even consider the possibility that you are wrong Tasunke?
You have several themes going against me: Wireless comment in day 1, Bad votes for Mattimeo and Bigger in day 1, and a supposed ignoring of your accusations. But I have not ignored your accusations, you've just decided that I have! Either your refuse to read what I write, or you're being willfully ignorant of my defense in an attempt to get your mislynch. I'm not sure which it is.
Sareln Wrote:Tasunke's Litany. 15 of his 37 posts, chron. Order from Top to Bottom. I don't quote these as defense per-say, but rather to point out that if I get lynched (and I will flip vanilla villager) you should consider what it says about Tasunke's alignment. Right now I am personally of the opinion that he is also village but is in love with a theory of my guilt
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(Here I quote very single one of your posts regarding me)
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As to my own votes day 1, I opened with Tasunke, Followed Lewwyn onto Qgqqqqq, Pushed Mattimeo as an alternative to theStick, and then pushed Bigger as an alternative to theStick and Mattimeo since I think a more conservative play would've been better than potentially lynching a village investigative/protective role. Sounds pretty damn bad when we know now that theStick was guilty as hell, doesn't it?
Later on I hit the note again:
Sareln Wrote:...
Looking at the big picture, I think it's interesting to see what happened to each of those Mattimeo voters after Mattimeo made his claim.
As the Mattimeo wagon collapses there are (possibly) two kinds of voters on Mattimeo: Wolves and Villagers.
Wolves know that theStick is guilty, so they have to make a snap decision: do they bus theStick for village credit, or do they attempt to build a different bandwagon? If Mattimeo is innocent they also know he's telling the truth*, so they need to get off his wagon post-haste.
Villagers on him only know that Mattimeo has claimed cloaker. And then theStick claims watcher. So what do we do? Clearly we shouldn't stay on Mattimeo. Even if he's lying, it's just too risky a possibility to lynch any village protective role on day 1. What about lynching theStick? That might be solid if he's lying, but once again, if he's telling the truth we're lynching a villlage information role on day 1. Also pretty damn bad. Also, theStick has a pretty strong lead, maybe he's telling the truth and any wolves on him are going to stick and get that anti-village mislynch in.
So both wolves and villagers, if they're thinking clearly, see that there are only two options left for their votes at end of day. Either theStick or Bigger (the one with the 3rd place vote total).
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Where do I ignore your accusation? I freaking list every single one, and then go in depth about what I was thinking at the time and why my votes went as they did. Your best evidence is that I made anti-town votes in day 1, and I address them head on!
Your wireless accusation I met with the seriousness it deserved earlier:
Sareln Wrote:@Tasunke, theStick
This game is starting with me on the road, so the train-wireless was a happy coincidence that allowed me to post. I thought it worth mentioning, though apparently this is an unpopular statement?
Oh gee, look at who also latched onto the thinnest thread of an introductory post.
How do you know that both the Mattimeo and Bigger bandwagons were wolf based? I sure as hell don't know. Maybe every single Bigger voter at the end of the day was innocent? That sounds absurd on it's face, yet it's no less absurd than assuming that every single person who voted Mattimeo and then Bigger is guilty! Why must every wolf play be clever? How do you not recognize that you're making gigantic assumption about how the day went?
Instead, you've grown your post count from 37 -> 60 (23) while taking your total number of references to me from 15 -> 25 (10). You are obsessing but you've not brought anything new this entire day. Just the same tired (he made bad votes) accusations which I've done my best to address*. But you won't see that. You won't see that the wolves know the full situation as the Mattimeo wagon collapses but not us villagers. You won't acknowledge even the possibility that I could be innocent. You won't even acknowledge that I have addressed every point that you've made.
*Actually, now that I re-read this, you have made a new accusation today: that I started a run on Pindicator. Well yes, yes I did, how is this a wolf tell? You know why it makes sense as a villager? Because as a villager on the block it's not enough to make the case against lynching yourself, you also have to make a positive case for someone else. So I tease apart the day. I build lists and look at overlaps. I build a vote record and analyze it, and I find that the best vote is Pindicator. I make my posts just as the Euro-day is starting and surprise, the European players address it. How is this shocking? How is this some proof of malice?
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Okay, now that I'm done (uselessly) shouting at Tasunke
... I saw a JKaen comment (about Pindicator) in the thread that I want to address.
It's not new accusations, and they're not coming out of nowhere. What is suspicious to you about it?
