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Adventure Nine - Sullla's Game

The gold mine was worth 7 commerce per turn, also.
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Part of the problem with the Civ4 AI is that you can either design a great realistic experience, or you can design a great chess game. Doing both is not only very difficult, but it's impossible in some situations. Free gifts from your friends is one of them. Realistically, if you ask for help from your allies, there are definitely times when they'll give it to you for free. In a competitive game against the AI, however, the system breaks down. Unless you get a diplomatic penalty from asking for stuff too often, it's going to be a good idea to constantly ask the AI for free stuff.

In a realistic game, which is partly represented by how multiplayer "free for alls" turn out, nations would attack eachother for resources, territory, and important locations. I've never seen the Civ4 AI attack to capture a resource, build an empire, or acquire a coastal city. The Civ4 AI is designed in this respect to be more tuned to competitive play; humans can understand when the AI will attack you. You know if they're upset, and exactly what's causing it. If you share a religion with the AI, they're not going to be particularly inclined to atack you.

There is a lot of sound logic behind this; how fun is it to be attacked by an AI that's lightyears ahead of you in technology because of free bonuses without being able to disuade them at all? Maintenance is another decision which is slated much more towards the "chess game." Rome was a huge empire, and it certainly wasn't limited by arbitrary boundaries placed on it to limit the snowball effect. Whatever we think about how maintenance is implimented into the game, it does a good job of slowing down the snowball effect. It's not entirely historically accurate, it makes conquering other countries much less appealing, and it may have a plethera of other side effects, but it's the best so far in Civ.

As someone who plays primarily multiplayer, on the rare instance that I do play single player, I want a more historic and relaxing experience. A tough AI is all well and good, but what I'm looking for is something that's more realistic than the "chess game" of playing against other humans. Obviously other people enjoy playing against the AI for a "chess game," even if the AI is much less competitant and scheming than humans are. In the game itself there has to be some sort of balance in certain situations. One of those is the AI gifting techs when you ask for them. If the game is going to have things like this in it, it might be a good idea to ban them from competitions at Realms Beyond.

Perhaps rather than an exploit, classify them as "unintentional micromanagement." Asking for free techs constantly is obviously exploiting the kindness of the AI, and humans would soon tire of this. Asking for something free once in a while isn't exploitative though, but it is unfair if certain players get techs and others don't. It's also unreasonable to put a cap on the number of times a player can ask for something from the AI. The most realistic way to solve the problem would be to have an AI that tires of being asked for free stuff after a certain number of times, but I doubt this will happen. Even if it does, some players will get lucky and hit the AI when it's willing to give things, and others won't.

Anyway, this is just what I was thinking about on the issue. I'm far from an active poster here and I haven't actually played any of the events (other than the brief opening of Epic 4), but I do read reports here quite often, and thought I might as well post my opinion on this smile.
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Just wanted to step into the thread really quick to let Sulla know that the "AD..." filenames for his images has run afoul of one of the default filters in Firefox's AdBlock extension. Simple enough to see them by disabling AdBlock, but I wanted to let anyone who's been reading the report but not seeing any images (like me huh ) know what's up and how to fix it.
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has gone, there will be nothing. Only I will
remain."

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wikdwarlock Wrote:Just wanted to step into the thread really quick to let Sulla know that the "AD..." filenames for his images has run afoul of one of the default filters in Firefox's AdBlock extension. Simple enough to see them by disabling AdBlock, but I wanted to let anyone who's been reading the report but not seeing any images (like me huh ) know what's up and how to fix it.

Aha! I just assumed that Sullla's images were hosted somewhere else and that site was down. Thanks smile!
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wikdwarlock Wrote:Just wanted to step into the thread really quick to let Sulla know that the "AD..." filenames for his images has run afoul of one of the default filters in Firefox's AdBlock extension. Simple enough to see them by disabling AdBlock, but I wanted to let anyone who's been reading the report but not seeing any images (like me huh ) know what's up and how to fix it.

I finally gave up on changing his habits, and whitelisted his web site.
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VoiceOfUnreason Wrote:I finally gave up on changing his habits, and whitelisted his web site.

So it's been like this for a while? I was suspicious that Adblock wasn't working properly and redownloaded it... but not because I could see Sullla's images tongue.

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Any virus software that can't recognize an image that uses the tag "AD9-1.jpg" as innocuous probably isn't worth holding onto, for my money's worth. wink Nevertheless, I'll switch over to using "ADV#" tags for the future, since it sounds like some folks are running into problems with this. Don't expect me to go through and change all the current ones though. tongue

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No offense taken, certainly. But you have been awfully gloomy of late about the Civ4 AI (justifiably so, in many respects) and the negative perspective is making my reports feel sad. lol
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Sullla Wrote:No offense taken, certainly. But you have been awfully gloomy of late about the Civ4 AI (justifiably so, in many respects) and the negative perspective is making my reports feel sad. lol

All things end, including my criticisms. The pendulum will swing upward again, soon, or I'll fade out and not rain on the parade.

I'm pleased that so many folks are enjoying the events, and that results are spread across a wide range. There -are- a lot of elements where there turns out to be more than one right choice, and that continues to be encouraging. I'm glad that I'm still able to massage good things out of the game. Plenty of events on the horizon and I'm excited about putting them together.


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Fortune favors the bold.
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The alphabet v. mining decision was interesting and one that I debated. In the end I chose alphabet b/c:

1. The AI ignores (see Adv. 4)
2. Enables tech trading
3. Opens up the top of the tech tree (which I favor)

I did not chose mining b/c

1. As Kylerean stated we were not short on hammers, but on commerce
2. I could not afford more cities, ie. did not need BW and other military techs
3. I trusted Sirian "that our borders were secure....for now" wink

As someone (Sullla?) stated earlier in the thread it is interesting to see how different everyone's games turned out even starting from such a late date. More of this would be good nod . Plus it means less time for each game, so I can play and report more wink .

CIV is also becoming a bit tiring for me, I really only play RB events and interesting SGs anymore, but I greatly enjoy those. Maybe Warlords... I don't know. No offense to anyone, but past Civ expansions have generally been unbalancing or lacked innovation (Statue of Zeus), from what I have read there were good tweaks to the AI and bugs with Warlords, but some unbalancing units/buildings thrown into the mix to to to to balance it out lol .
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wikdwarlock Wrote:Just wanted to step into the thread really quick to let Sulla know that the "AD..." filenames for his images has run afoul of one of the default filters in Firefox's AdBlock extension. Simple enough to see them by disabling AdBlock, but I wanted to let anyone who's been reading the report but not seeing any images (like me huh ) know what's up and how to fix it.

My firefox displays the pictures correctly. I'm not sure what kind of filters you are using.
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