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Bitter old man talking here  .
Lord Parkin - why do you feel entitled to be last to act every turn? One more player like you would make every turn to last 28h. I thought that times of purposeful delaying of ending turn would be over with the new double move rule, but seems like I was wrong.
Just as a curiosity quote from early days of this game (I know I've quoted this already once  ):
Lord Parkin Wrote:One might also add that ending one's turn before others shouldn't be something to be afraid of...
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I would like answer to this too. Playing last every turn isnt fooling anyone. We can all see what you research at start of next turn. Everyone has Alphabet now. Insist on playing last to "hide" research is not good sportsmanship.
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Well first of all, I'm not playing last all the time, that's just plain wrong. But yes, I do have a tendency to play towards the second half of the turn lately. There are lots of decisions to make at this point of the game, and I like to wait and see what lurker input there is before ending my turn - as well as needing time to make up my own mind. What exactly is the problem with that? I haven't been holding up the game any significant amount. Please, chill out a bit. 
It seems that basically the issue is with me sometimes taking 12 or occasionally (gasp!) 24 hours to think about a turn. Might I remind you that a 12-hour or even 24-hour turnaround is hardly bad at this point in a game. (Many pitbosses I've played in before are already at a 48 hour timer by this point.) And though you may prefer me to rush through my turns and make mistakes, it isn't going to happen.
I will, however, do what I can to end turns a bit faster. Please realise that this doesn't mean I'm going to be playing every turn within a few hours though.
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I don't think anything I said was plain wrong. can you elaborate? You've been acting last (and also 1st ) significantly more often than anyone else while logging in and out several times per turn so that you could have ended turn, if you just wanted to like anyone else does.
There are certain benefits coming from this. You can both hide what you're doing and on the other hand see better what others are doing. e.g. You don't choose what tech to tech until last moment and you see what others have chosen. If you would have city visibility to someone same princible applies. Obvivously all this is legitimate, but I don't like what it potentially causes to the game, if everyone wants to have this privilege. In Pitboss 2 game it was common practice not to end turn. I really hope to avoid that situation in this game.
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plako Wrote:I don't think anything I said was plain wrong. can you elaborate? plako Wrote:why do you feel entitled to be last to act every turn? A few occasions of playing last is not "every turn". You're exaggerating things out of proportion for effect.
None of the things you've listed have been on my mind at all. I often log in multiple times per turn because I'm obsessive and like to compulsively tweak things. Also, it takes an hour or two to play the turns properly, and I often can't do that all in one session. Personally, I don't mind if others take longer with their turns at this point in the game, so I'm a little perplexed by all the angst - especially when I haven't even held up the game once by any significant amount. Perhaps we have different standards, but to me even a 24 hour turnaround at this point in a game is really good compared to what I'm used to.
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Lord Parkin Wrote:A few occasions of playing last is not "every turn". You're exaggerating things out of proportion for effect.
None of the things you've listed have been on my mind at all. I often log in multiple times per turn because I'm obsessive and like to compulsively tweak things. Also, it takes an hour or two to play the turns properly, and I often can't do that all in one session. Personally, I don't mind if others take longer with their turns at this point in the game, so I'm a little perplexed by all the angst - especially when I haven't even held up the game once by any significant amount. Perhaps we have different standards, but to me even a 24 hour turnaround at this point in a game is really good compared to what I'm used to.
"why do you feel entitled to be last to act every turn?"
I don't quite see that sentence somehow implies you would be ending every turn last. It is just a legitimate question based on observation I've done via following civstats during the previous 30T. Prime example is just from the turn just before I sent my message. Mackoti didn't end turn so you waited until there was 3 mins in the clock before you ended yours and there are lot of similar examples you've logged in 2nd last to act, but haven't ended the turn but waited until you get to be the last.
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Real quick thought - I have no opinion on the Parkin "end turn" thing since I'm happy with the pace of the game (no pauses, horray!). However I do note about people have been throwing in accusations of playing last to hide research. I don't know for sure if this got adopted over, but that was a rule we actually thought of way back in RBP1. In that game, and I assume now, "last minute" research and build changes to hide from passive espionage was banned.
I don't think that's actually happening here, but I wanted to raise the issue to clarify that this is probably a game admin consideration and not a player consensus one.
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I haven't personally had any reason to think that Parkin is doing anything wrong, but unfortunately, this is the kind of thing that is impossible to prove conclusively.
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Gold Ergo Sum Wrote:I haven't personally had any reason to think that Parkin is doing anything wrong, but unfortunately, this is the kind of thing that is impossible to prove conclusively.
Just to be clear. I'm not implying that LP would have been doing something illegal under current rules. I'm just worried that delaying ending turn infects others to do the same an we end up in a similar situation we had in PB2. Where numerous turns did run to 0. Of course if someone needs the whole timer then he can use it.
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