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RBPB4 [SPOILERS] - De Gaulle of the Egyptians

The Sistine Chapel is in (shunting our GNP up quite a bit), as is Construction.

Time to debate Constitution vs Gunpowder, I guess. Are ~60 free beakers per turn now (rather than 5-10 turns later) worth delaying Rifles by about a turn, maybe two at the most?
Lord Parkin
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Lord Parkin Wrote:Time to debate Constitution vs Gunpowder, I guess. Are ~60 free beakers per turn now (rather than 5-10 turns later) worth delaying Rifles by about a turn, maybe two at the most?

You had me at ~60 free beakers.

Darrell
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Hi LP, how do you intend to react to this?
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darrelljs Wrote:You had me at ~60 free beakers.

Darrell
Heh. The other thing to consider is SOL of course, which under Representation would net us well over 100 beakers per turn... probably something like 150. And SOL will be built faster under US (will have to work out exactly how many turns faster). Hmm... decisions, decisions. wink

Gazzahk Wrote:Hi LP, how do you intend to react to this?
Not sure what you're referring to by "this" (it helps if you include a quote with an ambiguous message). I'm hazarding a guess that you're referring to Luddite's espionage? I've sent him an email, and will see how he replies. Not much else I can do right now.
Lord Parkin
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Yes Luddites actions; sorry for being imprecise.
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This is getting a bit ridiculous. Luddite hasn't turned off his espionage, and moreover has been ignoring my emails and chat messages for the past several days. Most recently I caught him in-game for a chat... and he logged out to avoid having to talk to me. Pretty lame, IMHO. Can't even seem to face up to the fact that he's breaking his word... yet again. At least I'd have a tiny bit of respect if he said "yeah, I'm breaking my word, so what?". But breaking his word and then purposefully avoiding contact to temporarily escape having to admit to the fact is just... lame.

I was already unimpressed with Luddite's lack of respect for the deals he makes... now I'm fairly disgusted, to be honest. I'm sure he's a nice guy in real life, but in the game he's so disrespectful to his own deals it's ridiculous. If you don't like a deal, there's a simple solution - don't sign it in the first place, or at least negotiate. Going with this "happily sign then immediately double cross" approach is a bad idea all around and loses you a lot of respect.

In other news... I think we'll probably want Democracy next for SOL, although I'm still contemplating the benefits of earlier Rifles. Especially now that diplomacy is starting to get a bit frustrating. A lot of folks these days are either ignoring us, avoiding us or straight up admitting they don't want to talk. In fact only Rego, Mackoti and Adlain still respond to our messages on a regular basis. I guess it's the curse of being in the #1 spot... although I would have hoped we'd get better treatment than what we've been getting.

Luddite is obviously one of the worst offenders - he's been acting badly towards us for a long time. But there's also Plako, who was in the lead for a while himself and was supposedly our secret ally... until apparently he decided to forget that as soon as he wasn't the #1 partner in the relationship. Plako's been playing the "avoiding game" too - he hasn't been available for chat outside the game for weeks now. I finally managed to catch him in-game today, and at first all seemed well and good. But then I asked some questions about if he knew if anything was going on regarding us - at which point he ignored me for a while, then gave a lame excuse and logged out. Pretty poor show considering our "alliance" (if it can even be called that any more) was supposed to work two ways. What a joke that turned out to be. After everything we did for him, he gives us a cold shoulder followed by the silent treatment. Well, at least it gives us a glaring clue that something's very wrong with this picture.

Sure we're quite a bit ahead now, so you might say that justifies all this bad behaviour towards us - although Plako's GNP hasn't been that far off from ours in his golden age, and his MFG and food are actually ahead of ours. But this isn't even a recent thing; Plako's clearly been distancing himself from us since pretty much the instant we pulled ahead on the scoreboard, and obviously Luddite's been acting badly towards us for a long time - ever since he decided to steal a city from us that he'd just agreed not to settle. Not exactly what I'd call honorable.

Personally I stick by the commitments I make to my allies, regardless of whether they're doing well or badly. I've had many awesomely fun games that I played to a loss, because I valued loyalty to my allies ahead of throwing everything away for a vague shot at victory. Apparently some folks would rather throw loyalty out of the window as soon as it doesn't suit them, though. A shame to see.

Perhaps I'm being unfairly critical due to being in a bad mood, I don't know. I'm just a bit tired of getting ignored and avoided, I guess. wink
Lord Parkin
Past games: Pitboss 4 | Pitboss 7 | Pitboss 14Pitboss 18 | Pitboss 20 | Pitboss 21
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In happier news, empire-wide we've cracked 2000 bpt and 3000 in GNP. The capital alone has cracked 600 bpt. Not too shabby. smile
Lord Parkin
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Demographics screenshot. Plako's GNP is about half what it has been in recent turns - he's probably on max gold at the moment. I'm not fooled. wink

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Lord Parkin
Past games: Pitboss 4 | Pitboss 7 | Pitboss 14Pitboss 18 | Pitboss 20 | Pitboss 21
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Lord Parkin Wrote:Personally I stick by the commitments I make to my allies, regardless of whether they're doing well or badly. I've had many awesomely fun games that I played to a loss, because I valued loyalty to my allies ahead of throwing everything away for a vague shot at victory. Apparently some folks would rather throw loyalty out of the window as soon as it doesn't suit them, though. A shame to see.

Yeah, I agree. You've been subbing for a game where values went out the window. lol
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spacemanmf Wrote:Yeah, I agree. You've been subbing for a game where values went out the window. lol
Yeah, I noticed. And I can't say I approve of what went on there either. wink
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