Ranamar and Lewwyn, ministers for Bismarck of Mali

[Ranamar]

Did you play the right save? I opened it up just now and we have 61 in the bank...

... I definitely stopped Frodo from building a mine when he had only one turn left, and the save definitely came in this morning.

Maybe I confused money in the bank with money in the income listing before I turned it back up. That's a little embarrassing.

Did I at least get time to library right?

[SevenSpirits]

... I definitely stopped Frodo from building a mine when he had only one turn left, and the save definitely came in this morning.

Maybe I confused money in the bank with money in the income listing before I turned it back up. That's a little embarrassing.

That makes sense. We were making $33 at 0%.

Did I at least get time to library right?

I think we're both right? The library would have taken 4 turns to build but we are spending one more turn on a settler and one more turn on a worker first. I didn't calculate whether the minimal overflow from the worker or the fact that we've whipped away the mine will change anything.

[SevenSpirits]

Had a LONG discussion with GES. Lewwyn chimed in a bit too. It definitely looks like we will be getting a permanent marble loan. Latest guess by GES is he gets the city planted in 5t and the marble at most 5t later. This should be shortly before we get Literature.

His latest suggestion for what we could give him in exchange is:

1 worker in 15 turns. Note: that means we have to start moving one towards him in 9 turns as he is 6t away. Given that this would be for marble for (largely) the rest of the game, I think that is a reasonable deal for us, even though such a near-term worker loss is costly. Thoughts?

IMO since we would be building GL starting about the same time, and the marble would quickly save us 90h and then another 60h on national epic plus more if we like on other wonders, I think we'd be coming out well ahead. (So would GES of course.) GES, it should be noted, would be going slightly out of his way to settle and improve the marble so quickly. His original estimate for when he'd have marble was much later.

[Lewwyn]

Got to play the turn today.

Ran through worker micro, Pippen built 1t of road, frodo finished off that mine, the other were doing their turn. Switched Osi to Axe so we didn't lose 7 overflow hammers. Whipped the two settlers, yay.



Scouting continued.



MNG and GES both have 4 cities to our 3, tho we'll fix that soon.

[Ranamar]

Played T43.

Put workers on to build. If we'd wanted, we could have finished the library this past turn in Barad-Dur. On the other hand, that would have given us nothing to do while regrowing.

I didn't turn the tech rate down, for some reason. We should probably do that next turn, however, and for a few turns after that while we get our bearings, financially, because the two workers added to unit maintenance and another warrior isn't going to help that either, nor are two new cities. (More population should mitigate the unit support problems, however.) Library would be 4 turns, so that would be a good time to turn it back up, I suppose, at which point we'll be able to finance research (with a 25% bonus in the capital) for a fair amount of time.

Workers built roads and moved closer to their destinations. The settler from Minas Tirith moved to Barad-Dur, and the settler from Barad-Dur moved toward the west site.

Scouting:



I possibly should have moved the second one SW instead of W but I think I wasn't paying enough attention and didn't feel like reloading to redo that move. Ohwell.

I'm really tired today, so that's all you get...
(My weekend is catching up with me. :zzz

[SevenSpirits]

So, any opinion on the marble trade deal....?

[Lewwyn]

Well I'm willing to give up a settler or a worker. Which does he prefer? I think goodwill is a big thing.

[Ranamar]

Well I'm willing to give up a settler or a worker. Which does he prefer? I think goodwill is a big thing.

I agree. Also, he's been (and is offering to be) quite giving with us as it is. I think we can afford to to be giving in return. Also, when did the requrested price go up from a worker to a settler? (We'll certainly use all the workers we have right now, but I can't help thinking that we could easily afford to spare a worker at this point.)

Also, I can't play the turn this morning, so if one of you could get it... For one thing, I slept in an hour longer than I meant to.

[Ranamar]

I happened to find myself at home again, so I played the turn. I'll report later, though, because I want to get to work. I hope my play wasn't too weedy.

Edit: report:

Moved exploring workers farther along. Nothing enormously interesting to report, and I was in a hurry. (Sorry, no pictures, especially because they're on my home computer.)

We have a bunch of workers... mostly they built roads, or moved closer to the development end.

I turned research back down to 0, because all of our cities have prime numbers of commerce right now, and I'm getting nervous about maintenance, which is now up to 9.

Speaking of "nervous about [unit] maintenance", I decided to put a library on, while we regrow, in Minas Tirith, because it's making almost as much commerce as Barad-Dur, although it has less downstream potential. Or, at least, it got the overflow. I considered a workboat, but I decided that it's probably just as well to whip the workboat in the new city when the borders expand enough that we can actually use it, because it's a really, really long trek for the workboat from Minas Tirith. (Alternately, we could ignore the crabs and work the land tiles...) I will not be offended if you want to switch off of that, but I really wasn't sure where to put the overflow.

Next turn, we should be able to found our eastern city (Dale?). I'm thinking we try to move a bunch of workers over to the pig so that we can get it pastured asap. After that... I dunno. They can fan out again, I guess. The western city (Grey Havens feels really ironic, given that it's towards the center of the map, tbh...) should get founded a turn or two after that; I forget.

[SevenSpirits]

Can't tell exactly what's going on but we seem to be wasting a ton of worker turns. Here is a post about worker management from pbem11:

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=357

I turned research back down to 0, because all of our cities have prime numbers of commerce right now, and I'm getting nervous about maintenance, which is now up to 9.

Good plan.

Speaking of "nervous about [unit] maintenance", I decided to put a library on, while we regrow, in Minas Tirith, because it's making almost as much commerce as Barad-Dur, although it has less downstream potential. Or, at least, it got the overflow.

So MT is making 13cpt. Say we expand at a rate that leaves breakeven science at 50%. Then MT will be making 6.5 beakers. A library there will be worth... 1.5 beakers. For the price of a settler. Definitely not worth it until we have much more happiness.

Next turn, we should be able to found our eastern city (Dale?). I'm thinking we try to move a bunch of workers over to the pig so that we can get it pastured asap.

Like I said a few posts up I think we want to send two workers to each new city. If we send three we'll have to waste turns getting them back. And two is enough to keep up with city growth.