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Cervantes Wrote:Locke and I will both be gone all day and can't play until late tonight or tomorrow morning, so we will miss our 12 hour window. I could have early played this morning, but Parkin has not ended his turn. I guess he has to be last or something every turn.
That's fine. If someone could pause the game until Locke plays, or if Adlain could hold off on his playing window, either way.
Not being able to play because the game messed up for you, or because of an emergency is fine, but we technically have a no pause rule. I don't want to see a ton of pauses used between now and when the game ends.
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Is there a rule that says Parkin must be the last to end his turn? If he would have just ended his turn last night when he played instead of running the timer down to be last and then logging in and ending his turn in 3 minutes, we wouldn't have this issue. He does this most turns in case you haven't noticed. He really has to go last for some reason. Sorry, this is a important turn for us, so we would rather not miss it the first time in 190 turns we have asked for a short pause. I hope that is okay.
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Cervantes Wrote:Is there a rule that says Parkin must be the last to end his turn?
I believe there is indeed a rule that says Parkin must be the last to end his turn. You really should have paid better attention at signups, nobody else objected to it. Jeez!
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Yeah, he even kept track of who was late ending their turns so he could end his turn last you see.
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[SIZE="3"]Reload request![/SIZE]
Aargh. I misclicked to Pasificm, when it asked the question from the pop-up window few seconds ago. I know this is not within the rules and was totally my mistake, but is there any chance to get a reload from my save? This ruined quite a bit of planning done so I would truly appreciate this.
If this requires handling time, pause might be in order also.
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plako Wrote:[SIZE="3"]Reload request![/SIZE]
Aargh. I misclicked to Pasificm, when it asked the question from the pop-up window few seconds ago. I know this is not within the rules and was totally my mistake, but is there any chance to get a reload from my save? This ruined quite a bit of planning done so I would truly appreciate this.
If this requires handling time, pause might be in order also.
This isn't really something contemplated by the ruleset. If no one has a huge objection, I am willing to allow it. But in general, misclicks are a part of Pitboss play. This one isn't during a war and doesn't have a direct effect on anyone else, so I suppose it could be allowed without much harm.
So the question is, does anyone feel strongly that I shouldn't allow a reload?
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Cervantes Wrote:Is there a rule that says Parkin must be the last to end his turn? If he would have just ended his turn last night when he played instead of running the timer down to be last and then logging in and ending his turn in 3 minutes, we wouldn't have this issue. He does this most turns in case you haven't noticed. He really has to go last for some reason. Sorry, this is a important turn for us, so we would rather not miss it the first time in 190 turns we have asked for a short pause. I hope that is okay. Last turn this was actually a mistake, so I'm sorry about that. I was going out to a friend's place for the night, so I finished my turn early... or so I thought. I was sure I'd hit enter before logging out and rushing out the door, but apparently not. As a result the game got held up for ~4 hours or so, which is unheard of for me. Apologies about that, it usually doesn't happen.
Gold Ergo Sum Wrote:This isn't really something contemplated by the ruleset. If no one has a huge objection, I am willing to allow it. But in general, misclicks are a part of Pitboss play. This one isn't during a war and doesn't have a direct effect on anyone else, so I suppose it could be allowed without much harm.
So the question is, does anyone feel strongly that I shouldn't allow a reload? For reasons which should be pretty obvious to everyone by now, I'm someone that would have reason to object to a reload for mistakes at this point. Not because I have anything against plako as a player. But because I'm pretty sure that if situations were reversed and I had (or have) a major misclick related issue, several folks would (or will) be gleefully telling me I have to deal with it and play on. I'm just saying we have to be even-handed here. While I can sympathize with the situation - I've certainly had quite a number of screw-ups in my time that have hurt a lot - I don't think it's fair to expect a reload for a mistake when, in all probability, the same courtesy would not be extended my way in a similar situation.
My 2 cents anyway.
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I think that's pretty cynical of you LP. I've certainly made no secret of my feelings in any situation in this game, but I'd take the exact same agnostic position if it were you making this request. I think some people take this game way too seriously, scumming for every single perceived advantage, rather than playing in a good spirit. I know this has left a bad enough taste in my mouth that I'm certainly never signing up for another Pitboss game.
Regardless, I hadn't posted earlier because I truly don't care one way or the other. No matter what decision is made, I do think we can agree that this should never be allowed during wartime though.
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Gaspar pretty much summed up my feelings on the subject. A misclick at wartime would never be overturned. But here, plako is not at war with anybody. I think courtesy would allow a reload. I am not sure, "I think others wouldn't allow me to reload" is an objection I can take very seriously. But if a player objects to an ambiguity in the ruleset, I still cannot just ignore that. I do have a concern about where to draw the line if others started asking for reloads for less serious mistakes.
But I do have one other serious qualm about reloading. Mackoti and Moogle already played their war turns. A reload might allow them to make different moves, with a different RNG, and get different war results, or to correct strategic errors. This isn't fair to them or their opponents.
I need to think. If anyone has any further opinion, I am all ears.
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Only Moogle and Lord Parkin has logged in after me playing so only those would need to replay.
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