Astronaut without sin confounds press, invites trio to control civilization

[Commodore]

So. Will it massively wreck your entire micro plan to have me switch that desert tile 1E2S of the warrior to a plain? There's an ongoing greening initiative going on in the world. Nothing else in view will change.

[SevenSpirits]

So. Will it massively wreck your entire micro plan to have me switch that desert tile 1E2S of the warrior to a plain? There's an ongoing greening initiative going on in the world. Nothing else in view will change.

That's fine. Thanks for asking. (In fact plains are almost as useless as desert.)

[SevenSpirits]

What are our optimization criteria?
Do we want a religion? Yes/No
If so, do we want an early shrine? Yes/No
Do we want stonehenge? Yes/No
Do we want more settlers and workers? Yes

When do we need a strategic resource hooked up?

My answers:

I think we'll get a religion eventually since CoL, Philo, Monotheism are all good techs for us since they have good civics. So IMO getting e.g. Hinduism isn't that important.

We want a shrine but there's no hurry to get it.

Yes we want Stonehenge, but we do have one significant competitor for it - Cyrus of HRE. With IMP and rathouses it looks like Fierce wants to spam cities, and CHA + spammed cities + stonehenge is clearly good. And he starts with Mysticism so there's no tech opportunity cost for him. (And also we won't be able to C&D whether he can build it.) Therefore I'm not sure it's worth trying for.

Yes.

Edit: I'm thinking maybe Hunting -> AH to start. AH finishes just as the road does - in case horses are in one of our capital grassland squares, we could make the pasture before camp if we want.

[novice]

2nd in turn order, not bad. We know what to do for the first 6 turns, at least.

Let's not wander too far with the warrior.

[SevenSpirits]

2nd in turn order, not bad. We know what to do for the first 6 turns, at least.

Let's not wander too far with the warrior.

Well I think there's still a question of whether we want 1 more overflow hammer from the worker/settler or 2c.

Assuming there aren't any more map changes than the desert-plains one i think scout should go NW-NE and warrior S.

[darrelljs]

Flip a coin, at this stage in the game a mouse could starve on the difference between 2C and 1H.

Come on, someone has to know that reference .

Darrell

[SevenSpirits]

Flip a coin, at this stage in the game a mouse could starve on the difference between 2C and 1H.

What, you think later in the game the distinction will become more important? Actually in pbem19 this same choice made a huge difference.

[darrelljs]

You've already determined it doesn't change the tech or unit time correct?

I didn't follow PBEM19, but I find it hard to believe 1H or 2C can make a "huge" difference .

Darrell

[darrelljs]

What, you think later in the game the distinction will become more important?

Early game I think 1H ~ 2C. Late game I don't think 1H ~ 2C. Hammers are more important early in the game due to expansion needs. Later in the game I think economy becomes more important. A bit of trivia, if you use the settled GP yields to setup a set of five equations with five unknowns, you find (approximately) 4 culture = 2 gold/beakers = 4/3 hammers = 1 food.

Darrell

P.S. Can't say I'm not doing my spam job .

[spacemanmf]

P.S. Can't say I'm not doing my spam job .

Appreciate it.

Meanwhile, our first save is in but I'm at work (so can't play it)...