Werewolf 7 game thread

[Meiz]

I agree with Zakalwe (explained above) and Serdoa, maybe Rowain too, but Catwalk? I'm finding Catwalk to be one of the most suspicious posters... I find difficult to believe that someone would think Catwalk to be a likely villager.

I base my feelings on the last game we played together (we established quite strong mutual trust in there). What you don't know is that we also talked with pm messages after Catwalk was mod-killed (me encouraging him to play in the next game etc.) and he seemed to be really pleased on how I had played the game. So his mayor vote for me didn't surprise at all. Generally he has been playing with similar manner than in WW6 and just as I would expect. He is quite inexperienced in these games, but tries really hard to invent theories and be useful, almost by forcing it. As he admitted himself, his theories were a bit off in the last game as well. So I'm not saying that he can't be a wolf, but I do think his play reminds a lot of his play from WW6.

And after Meiz said that he would think more about the mayor vote, he voted Zakalwe with just a brief explanation. I'd expect a little more reasoning behind it, especially because Zakalwe was under heavy suspicion. After reading the thread again, it seemed to me that Meiz could have been trying to get in the good side of Zakalwe, which is a good place to hide as a wolf.

I noticed the same signs from Zakalwe's play than you seem to have noticed as well. I'm already starting to trust him quite a lot, and I believe he has better judgement than I personally have. So for me he is a good candidate as a mayor and I wanted to make that apparent immediately, since he was picking up lynch votes.

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I don't see much point in changing my vote away from Twinkletoes.
- Running for mayor without really committing to it (seems like a joke)
- Too serious response for uberfish's claim (no wtf - reaction)
- Scolding for quiet play a bit too early (trying to appear active and useful?)
- The plan of following post counts is really neutral and too objective way of suspecting people. Something that would come useful for a wolf.

But as we have 4 wolves, I'll try to dig up more suspicious behavior during this workday (useful day coming ahead! )

[Meiz]

As for my first post, there are three players whose werewolf styles I can probably read better than the rest: Gaspar, Roland, and Rowain.

Is my memory failing me... Has Roland played a werewolf?

[Mr. Nice Guy]

He (uberfish) did critizise the setup as far too wolffriendly in the setup thread. Perhaps this is his way to balance the game for us villagers.

The whole uberfish thing... meh. I get why he did it, it seems similar to the kind of tactic I would use. For me, I would do it as a villager to stir up conversation. And I think uberfish probably would do about the same thing.

But for me, Rowain's "us villagers" popped up a red flag for me. Inexperienced players frequently try to tie themselves to the village this way, but Rowain is not inexperienced. It's too little in and of itself, but enough for me to take pause...

[Mr. Nice Guy]

Yep, I've given up cursing the dice. How many games have we played? think I've gone through each stage of grief for them (though anger may have been longer). Currently I'm at acceptance. I'm just going to be a permanent villager in all of these games. It's probably for the best given that I'm the one that's always innocent since I won't quit signing up.

And since I'm innocent again and I don't want things to get stale, I decided why not go for mayor to change things up?

So please folks hear me out! I'm putting a serious bid in the middle for mayorship! I can be counted on to make calm, rational decisions without any hint of bias! Elect Lewwyn for mayor!

Other qualifications include past experience! I was mayor during WW2 for the last half of that game, which the village won. In fact, in any game that I was not lynched, the village has won. The only time the village has lost, I was lynched. That's not a bad track record! Elect Lewwyn for mayor!

I kiss babies like its my job! Elect Lewwyn for Mayor.

[SIZE="1"]Paid for the by the corporation to elect Lewwyn mayor of WW7.[/SIZE]

Also pretty funny. On first read, it all made sense. Maybe it was the context of the surrounding posts? Now that I sit here and type a response, though, I'm having a harder time convincing myself that Lewwyn makes great sense as mayor.

No... I just remembered why I kept this post. By the time I read this Roland looked innocent, so I knew I was taking lynch vote off him. But I didn't want to keep mayor on him either. No offense intended, but he has been swayed by wolves too many times for me to want to give him 1.1 votes. Better to have someone that I think reads both innocent and a good judge of character. That's why I kept this.... Lewwyn provides a better alternate than Roland.

[Mr. Nice Guy]

I read zakalwes posts exactly as he explained it so I think your "evidence" Rowain is really only based on "lets get zak killed" rather then truly believing it. And that means you are either on a crusade again (what I think it is to early for) or you know that he is innocent + a strong player and want to get rid of him. And that makes you

Rowain

my preferred lynch-target for now.

This, combined with my earlier red flag, was what triggered me to change the red flag to a red name: Rowain. Sorry, but zakalwe made sense, and Rowain seemed to be poking holes in them "just because". It reminds me of the mistakes that were made when we were wolves together.

[Mr. Nice Guy]

(Zakalwe) could have changed his style, but it's hard to fake "being full of himself", especially because it's seen as a flaw of character. Nobody thinks to have flaws of character, so I guess he's not faking.

This. Exactly what I was talking about above mentioning that zakalwe's responses made sense. Not just content-wise, but stylistically, they read very much as zakalwe in every game that he's tried to convince people of something. Whether he's right or wrong, he acts as though he's 110% right... and that's what's happening in this game.

I don't like this first posts (by Catwalk) that cast both votes in a no-joke manner. I already said it in previous games, they seem like if the player is being obligated to vote and it seem to be wolfish behaviour. And MNG was already called on the starnge first post by Zak, so it's not an original lynch theory.

Then, he made the comment about limiting the number of the posts, which seems very useless to me. Why bring it up if there's no chance for the players to agree with it? Not particularly suspicious, but I really can't understand why he posted it...

That makes sense. Catwalk does seem fairly in character, and consistent with what we'd expect out of someone who's pretty inexperienced though. If, say, zakalwe were acting this way, I'd be using it against him. But coming from Catwalk? The behavior makes me place him in the potential innocent camp.

[Mr. Nice Guy]

Finally, you talk about wanting more discussion and then park your vote on the safest bet out there? I mean, granted we really do need to get MNG talking, so I can understand wanting to exert a little pressure, but to say it's because he's the only one with any momentum? Huh? Unless I'm mistaken, zakalwe was still pretty high on the lynch tally, and a few other names are starting to pop up as well. Maybe I'm reading too much into things, but it just seems to me the only "momentum" behind MNG is the fact that he's been dead silent, and his initial post seemed to be pretty stock MNG joking (although it certainly pushes the boundaries at that, even).

Oh Roland, you do know me well

"stock MNG joking"
I can't wait to tell my co-workers about this. A little story: recently, I went out of town on business to act as a consultant on a special project. I'd met the other managers there before, but only briefly. By the end of the first day of the week-long project, the other folks were already doing the typical eye-roll and "oh MNG" every time I opened my mouth. "stock MNG joking" is pretty good.

[Mr. Nice Guy]

Bah, forgot to put this in the last post and stupid no editing rule.

I find it quite peculiar that several of us have noted the importance of the mayoral race and yet 6 people haven't voted and the votes that do exist have barely moved in days. While I am running, and if elected I will serve, I can't imagine anyone not being interested in the outcome of the race given that we have no surefire way to ascertain the mayor's alignment short of waiting for them to die. So those of you who've yet to weigh in on the mayoral race - why haven't you?

In particular I don't think we've even heard it mentioned by uberfish or scooter. (Could be wrong there, I just thought of this as a topic worth considering.)

... And then I go through and read your 5 or so posts in a row. And I remember that Gaspar is my other "easy to read" character. You do read as innocent to me, because of points like this and your response above to Roland.

And did I really think Lewwyn is a good mayor choice? What about my signature... my favorite line from the game that I was werewolf?
Thing is, Gaspar reads as innocent to me, and has a good ability to read others. Of everyone in the game, then, through 24 hours I'm happiest giving Gaspar 1.1 votes.

[zakalwe]

I'm glad to see the discussion picking up a bit. I was a bit disheartened yesterday before going to bed, given the lack of discussion and my own position on the lynch tally.

@Zakalwe: What do you think about Meiz?

He's been giving me a slight tingle, which "peaked" as a minor suspicion when he nominated me as mayor. I appreciate the support, (in fact, while I remember: Zakalwe) but he seemed to be going against the flow there, so the timing seemed a little strange. Of course, other experienced players have since chimed in saying that they think I'm innocent, so it would probably be unfair to blame Meiz for being the first to voice it. The other thing I noticed was how he pre-emptively defended against following my lead. Not sure a villager Meiz would worry about that. Anyway, his most recent posts are somewhat reassuring, so I'm willing to give him more time.

I will reread a bit before posting some more thoughts.

[Gaspar]

Alright, I'm satisfied with what I learned about MNG for the time being. Time to move to the next most curious cat on my list from above, Sareln.

For logic, see above.

(What? Have none of you ever had a hard time getting to sleep? Stop looking at me like that. Seriously. Stop it!)