Werewolf 7 game thread

[Serdoa]

My first attempt was to try to find some sort of pattern in the aftermath of uberfish's antics.

I figured that uberfish was innocent as this would be a hard thing for him to recover from if he is a wolf.

That doesn't make sense for me Erebus. Why would it be harder for him to recover from it if he is a wolf then if he is a villager? I'm sure you probably have the same issue like I do often, that you have something in your head but can't get it out in English but please try too, because right now, I don't see a difference between an innocent and a guilty uberfish and his way out of this chaos. It was exactly the way he used. State it is only a ploy and tell whom you feel reacted "wrong" to it. Thing is, wrong always has to be seen in context with the character of the persons you are looking at. zaks wrong reaction to such a ploy is different then Sarelns wrong reaction. Thinking about it, I don't think uberfish did take that into account. Coupled that with the rather short time he "played" his ploy he belongs in my possible wolf category. Can't believe I forgot him... thats what you get if you write stuff in the morning before your first coffee (and I won't get more then 3 due to that extracted thooth of mine )

[Rowain]

Clearly we have a lot of non-europeans this time around. 6 pages during my nighttime.

But for me, Rowain's "us villagers" popped up a red flag for me. Inexperienced players frequently try to tie themselves to the village this way, but Rowain is not inexperienced. It's too little in and of itself, but enough for me to take pause...

What other phrase/wording should I use? Sorry but experienced or not. English is not my first language and I have really no clue what other words I could use here.

I really think his acting against zak didn't make much sense. Imo it was more like seeing an opening and trying to use that to discredit zak and get him killed. But it didn't feel like he believed it at all.
After some other people started to question zak as well, Rowain didn't press more. Instead he disappeared. Surely that might be timing as well, but I feel that he simply wanted to let others do the work.

No sense to press more if others are agreeing with me Ne? I have made my case against him and finished. I have no interest to replay WW2.

He ignored uberfishs call, or rather stated he would save the last lynch for him as winning this way would be very stale. Ok. And 4 hours later he votes him for Mayor. Even with uberfishs explanation in between that does not make much sense for me. Rowain is a good player and knows how important the mayor is this time around. And he votes someone who is very hard to read ("I am the Owl"...), started with a risky ploy on day 1 and could as much be a crazy villager as an aggressive wolf? We have much better canditates for mayor and Rowain knows that.

Sorry we have not. The mayor is important and the most important thing is having a Villager as Mayor and not a wolf. For me uberfish is very unlikly to be a wolf currently so I vote for him.

He has the second most postings by now and nearly no content except for trying to stir the zakalwe-lynch and ignoring the uberfish-ploy in a way that is not villagerish imo.

What other is new about me playing WW on day 1 ? I have been accused the same thing last game too and surprise surprise I was a villager then (despite the wolf-vibes)

[Lewwyn]

What other is new about me playing WW on day 1 ? I have been accused the same thing last game too and surprise surprise I was a villager then (despite the wolf-vibes)

When have I not had wolf vibes about you on the first day? I think it was WW3. Other than that pretty much every game its been wolfy. So... I'm not voting for you... yet.

[zakalwe]

No sense to press more if others are agreeing with me Ne? I have made my case against him and finished. I have no interest to replay WW2.

You could state whether you agree or disagree with the arguments that have been subsequently put forth, and maybe look for additional clues to strengthen your theory.

The case against me, as stated by you, is that I didn't self-vote for mayor in my first post. (Though I did say I was obviously willing to run if I got support for it.) That is the only argument you have articulated, as far as I can tell.

They way you're acting now, it does indeed seem like you want others to do your dirty work for you. You're not even going on record to say that you still think I'm a wolf, as if you want to leave the option open of backing out gracefully.

[Catwalk]

I think the fact that we don't have a seer makes the uberfish wolf gambit more likely. With a seer in play, it would just be a horribly bad wolf gambit as it gave an obvious seer target. Again, considering the reactions to his gambit (majority are either neutral or think it paints him innocent), I don't find it to be an unlikely wolf gambit. Especially if he has a history of such a playing style. I thought it was a bad wolf gambit, but given the reactions it may well be a good one. It has confused village discussions and it seems to move suspicion away from him. It also creates a slipstream of reactions that wolves can use to tar others with. Since someone found it suspicious that I want to lynch him and then changed my vote, I'll gladly change it back. There's still time, and I think it's the best bet so far.

Ichabod, as Meiz pointed out we worked well together in the last game. I think he was easy to read as villager last game, and he reads the same to me so far. He also had good judgement and was active, so I find him to be a good mayor candidate. My apologies if I broke any conventions about having to make your first vote a joke vote

Then, he made the comment about limiting the number of the posts, which seems very useless to me. Why bring it up if there's no chance for the players to agree with it? Not particularly suspicious, but I really can't understand why he posted it...

I addressed this in a previous post. I did not find it unlikely that some players would voluntarily reduce their post count a little. That may even have happened already (not necessarily due to my suggestion), you pointed out yourself that there are fewer posts than usual. I don't find it to be far-fetched to want the game to be a little more wieldy, I saw many posts in the last game to the effect of "can't be bothered reading through all that, I'll throw my vote on xxx". Again, I was not suggesting a rule change.

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I think it's some kind of ploy to establish himself as innocent. Given that he seems to dislike being wolf, such a ploy makes much more sense if he is indeed wolf than if he's villager, as it draws massive attention to him. He's trying this gambit for fun in order to make playing a bit more bearable. I can't imagine him doing this as a villager (which he seems to like playing), as it's a horrible villager play. It's also a horrible wolf play, but if he doesn't like playing wolf he doesn't have much to lose.
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It doesn't make any sense to me... He dislikes being a wolf, how do you know that? If Uberfish's post is a ploy, why should we believe in Uberfish's post (by believing that he doesn't like playing as a wolf)? I can't make any kind of sense of this reasoning...

But all following Catwalk posts talk about Uberfish, some of them saying that lynching Uberfish is a given

I was speculating that he dislikes being wolf, then following a line of reasoning. My apologies if that came across as if I knew he dislikes being wolf. I've revised my opinion a bit, and think it's either a bad villager play (risky and distracting) or an interesting (but risky) wolf play for the reasons stated above.

I also find Injera's blunt dismissal of the theory that uberfish really is a wolf to be suspicious.

Well, it seems to me that, according to Catwalk, Injera is only guilty if Uberfish is guilty too. So, why stop voting for Uberfish? Because the vote is not getting traction? And Injera wasn't the only one who dismissed the chance of Uberfish being a wolf, so why specifically Injera? Maybe because he's a new player and it'd be easier to get a lynch on him.

I find Injera's post suspicious whether uberfish is a wolf or not. I don't think it's at all obvious that uberfish is a villager, and calling zakalwe highly suspicious on those grounds seems off to me. And I also find it a little surprising that Injera would come off so strongly as a new player. Then again, that could also be why he reacted as he did. So my vote is back on uberfish as my prime suspect, hoping it'll gain traction.

[Catwalk]

Also want to add that I think voting uberfish for mayor is really bad. We can't scry him to check. Add the double voting wolf to the mix and a wolf mayor can be highly valuable to the wolf team in this game.

[Erebus]

@Serdoa

Actually English is my first language, but I think I just have a hard time expressing myself in text.

In real life I talk fast and a lot, so it's easy to cover up any misunderstanding. I'm just a poor writer I guess.

My issue with uberfish is there's a huge difference between Wolf and Villager. Even in this small ploy.

If he's a Villager and claims wolf, he can come clean and continue on. If he says something wrong, he'll get lynched. That puts us down 1 out of 10 villagers.

If he's a wolf and claims wolf, he has to lie to cover up what he said. If he was upset at being wolf, it'll come out later easier. If it was some sort of bad wolf ploy, the next time someone gets a wolfy vibe from him they will think of

...I really don't feel like playing wolf again...

. And he gets lynched. That puts them down 1 out of 4 wolves.

The gambit seems unfathomable from a wolf perspective. They have so much more to lose. And if it wasn't a gambit, and uberfish is a wolf who was convinced by fellow wolves to "see it through", he's not gonna play at his full potential.

So in my opinion, recovering from "calling wolf" is easier for uberfish the villager, and has less impact on the village then on the wolves. (In the long run).

[Rowain]

You're not even going on record to say that you still think I'm a wolf, as if you want to leave the option open of backing out gracefully.

Is my vote still on you? Blimey it is so perhaps I still think you are wolfy.

As I remember your argument to kill mwe last game was.: "I get wolf-vibes huh" so please refrain from talking about arguments .

[Jkaen]

Quickly scanned the last 2 pages, as I said in the org thread, don't really have the time to play well right now on this, so my votes to stop mod kills are TT and Serdoa

[zakalwe]

As I remember your argument to kill mwe last game was.: "I get wolf-vibes huh" so please refrain from talking about arguments .

So you concede you have a bad argument then? In the previous game, I was not the main proponent for lynching you, I just chose you over Selrahc (who was also innocent) when I was forced to choose, towards the end of the day.

You are not forced to choose between me and one other candidate at this point. So maybe you could be a bit more specific about why I make a better lynch candidate than anyone else?