September 8th, 2011, 12:06
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zakalwe Wrote:My suspicion towards Uberfish is also compatible with TT being a wolf, since Uberfish did not include him on his suspect list. That is curious, since he later emphasized how TT and I reacted similarly. So why was I on his list of suspects, but not TT? For that matter, why was anyone on his suspect list? We have only been invited to speculate, so we can fill in our own reasons.
based on the interaction I think you and TT are probably not both wolves and you're more likely
the point with you and catwalk is you've been spreading the idea that I'm an untrustworthy villager so it's ok to lynch me even if I'm a villager - also you in particular have been happy to start bandwagons on people while trying to firmly place any blame in the event of a possible mislynch on me (and suggest that I should be lynched in the event of a mislynch).
I suspected Meiz and Scooter because of conspicuous non response to my trolling, but in light of posts by others I don't think that's a reliable tell anymore, so I'm not as suspicious now.
so I'm going to leave my vote on zak for now, not sure if I'll make it back before the deadline.
September 8th, 2011, 12:13
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The attack on Zakalwe from uberfish's part sounds so far fetched for me to see him as villager. I'd say desperate if it was anyone else than uber 
I can see the line regarding me as an attempt to play the soft tender emotional side of me  . Sorry, not buying it, uberfish
The way you left TT out of your suspects (as Zak noted) makes me think that TT is guilty as well.
September 8th, 2011, 12:17
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Meiz Wrote:The way you left TT out of your suspects (as Zak noted) makes me think that TT is guilty as well. Or actually, is it too obvious to paint TT this suspicious and he is a villager? Or is it reverse reverse pyschology (TT must be innocent since uber painted him so suspiciously!)?
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September 8th, 2011, 12:19
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Jumped on again at the pub.
Still find TT suspicious, but my worry now especially with no seer is we will have this uberfish trick hanging over us for ever. If he is a villager the wolves would be crazy to eat him, and we have no other way of clearing his name.
If we end up lynching him it doesn't really tell us much. I believe TT would react like that even if he (TT) was a villager and zak has the excuse of the strange play to all back on so we can't conclude anything.
If uberfish is a wolf, it helps zaks case slightly, but there is so much time for him to flip vote again it doesn't make him at all safe to me.
Typing this out I have become less convinced of TT's guilt. It was far too headstrong and OTT, but playing in 2 games with him I don't think its that out of character.
I think annoyingly we have no choice but to clear this uberfish cloud hanging over us and allow more discussions to develop that we can draw better conclusions from. Uber, sorry if you are innocent, if you had stated it was all a joke I may have hoped we could move on, but I fear you are now too easy a place to hide
September 8th, 2011, 12:21
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I'm cool with voting for Uberfish he was my original vote before his gambit and after his gambit as well. I can easily see him pulling that stunt as a wolf. Uberfish was also on my list of people I would vote for and Injera's latest posts make me less inclined to vote that direction.
Goodnight all.
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September 8th, 2011, 12:21
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uberfish Wrote:the point with you and catwalk is you've been spreading the idea that I'm an untrustworthy villager so it's ok to lynch me even if I'm a villager This is wrong, though. zakalwe spread the idea that you are an untrustworthy villager, I stated right away that I considered it far more likely that you're a colourful wolf. Basically, what scooter said above. You've been reasonably active and brought a lot of attention to yourself, so I assume you read fairly carefully what accusations were brought against you. Especially in light of your defense that you were trying to provoke reactions and then use those reactions to root out wolves. So this mistake makes me a little more confident in voting for you. Still not certain by any means, but we can't be certain about much on day 1.
September 8th, 2011, 12:34
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I can barely keep up with this thread, and I don't have the time while I'm at work to do an in-depth analyses like usual - won't until I get home tonight, after the deadline - but there's definitely much going on here. I hate not being able to collect my thoughts, especially since so many people are raising so many points...
zakalwe's recent fervor definitely rings true of his character for me, but before it's always been a very pro-Village vibe. Now, though, with his comments towards uberfish, I'm starting to see a bit of anti-Village showing through. Is it possible he's learned to act himself, and steer the Village towards his goals, when he's not himself innocent? I don't know, but I'm starting to wonder. Another interesting thinig about zakalwe - his original stand-offs with Twinkletoes, and later Rowain, struck me as very typical - and it even made me think TT's response was spot-on TT. Now I'm almost wondering if the 'Wolves aren't looking to have some fun? We all know how confrontational zakalwe is, and I distinctly remember that playing out against TT in a past game (not sure about uberfish or Rowain). Is it entirely implausible that the 'Wolves decided to use zakalwe's character for cover? There's two ways I can see this going - zakalwe's a 'Wolf who's in on the gambit, which would make one of the other 'Wolves any of uberfish, Rowain, or Twinkletoes (I'm not convinced they'd rope more than 2 'Wolves together like that, so it's probably only one of those 3), OR the 'Wolves are using zakalwe as a Villager to provide cover for themselves, seeing as he's such a tempest-in-a-teapot, in which case I could see potentially up to 2 'Wolves bouncing off him (my best guess would be TT and uberfish).
Now, I'm not too keen on huge conspiracy theories nor big gambits, BUT given uberfish's play right out of the gate, I suppose just about anything is possible in this game, so it gets me wondering. All of this is purely circumstantial and speculation, of course, but it's a thought. Anyone else see anything in a similar vein, or am I totally off my rocker? (Waiting for Lewwyn to call me crazy and try to get me lynched for this one. :neenernee)
uberfish's retorts... I don't know what to make of them. I honestly just don't. I don't think both zakalwe and uberfish are 'Wolves, which means for me it boils down to one or the other - and so far zakalwe has shown to be more Villager (up until recently). I want to say he's innocent, because that was the vibe I got from his original explanation of his gambit... but now I'm not so sure, because I haven't seen much to back that up in his more recent posts. I just don't know, and I'm not willing to risk voting for him without something a bit more solid.
The interaction between Meiz and Injera is certainly interesting. Not sure what to make of that, either, as Meiz doesn't seem too off, and Injera still strikes me as a newbie Villager trying very hard. Definitely going to be keeping my eye on them both, though, especially in light of other people's thoughts.
I'm sure there's more I will want to say, but I'm struggling to remember all the little things that piqued in my mind. I'm going to try to reread some more (if I can - the posts are coming at a blistering pace), and hopefully check back in before it's all over.
Anyway, just wanted to get some of my thoughts out while I still had them (and could afford 20 minutes to sit here and write this).
September 8th, 2011, 12:39
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We haven't had a lynch tally in forever and it's making it hard to keep track of the votes. Shout out if I got something wrong. I started from Rowain's post here I'm going to start compiling the mayor tally as well, since I have no idea what the standings are, though I suspect it's a race between Lewwyn and Zakalwe based on what I saw compiling the lynch total.
Lynch:
6v: Uberfish ( Catwalk, Zakalwe, Scooter, Meiz, Jkaen, Lewwyn)
4v: Twinkletoes89 ( Sareln, Erebus, Roland, Gaspar )
2v: Zakalwe ( Uberfish, Injera)
2v: Injera ( Rowain, Serdoa)
1v: Rowain ( MNG )
Not voted (2): Twinkletoes89, Ichabod
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September 8th, 2011, 12:48
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zakalwe Wrote:he later emphasized how TT and I reacted similarly. So why was I on his list of suspects, but not TT?
I think this is quite important bit. If uberfish would be a villager and was gathering information based on reactions, why would he attack Zak but ignore TT?
Also, his suspect list based on the results were Scooter / Meiz / Catwalk / Zakalwe
Two pro villager players and two "newbs" who have a great chance to act suspiciously. I don't have time to check now, but I think both me and Catwalk were already mentioned as mildly suspicious by some? I find it especially odd that me and scooter got to the suspect list so easily (basically because we couldn't believe that a wolf uberfish would rage quit like that).
September 8th, 2011, 12:58
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Starting from Gaspar's Post Here:
Mayor Tally:
4v: Gaspar (Gaspar, Erebus, Injera, Sareln)
3v: Lewwyn (Lewwyn, MNG, Scooter)
2v: zakalwe (Meiz, Catwalk)
1v: Twinkletoes (Twinkletoes)
1v: uberfish (Rowain)
1v: Meiz (Serdoa)
Not voting (5): Ichabod, Jkaen, Uberfish, Zakalwe, Roland
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