Werewolf 7 game thread

[zakalwe]

Not voting: Twinkletoes, Sareln, JKaen

Personally, I think this looks like a suspicious little troika.

[Gaspar]

Personally, I think this looks like a suspicious little troika.

Concur.

Also, while Injera's analysis makes sense, I know as wolves you are typically incredibly sensitive to putting several of your names together too often. It would incredibly ballsy play for Serdoa, TT & Catwalk to seem so in lock-step.

[Sareln]

The troika of the not-talking-much?

This took too long to compile together. Just a short summary of every post since Erebus was hung (attached).

I think that the thought that there are a number of quiet wolves is worthwhile.

I think voting against Zakalwe today is a waste of time. Spends too much energy to accomplish something that is uncertain, when it will become more certain as we make it through more days.

I know that voting against me is also a waste of time. Meiz seems to know that I'm innocent as well. I don't quite know what to make of that.

Serdoa v. Zakalwe and Meiz v. Scooter won't get us anywhere today. They sound a lot like personal vendettas for now. On the plus side, these are also conflicts that will clarify themselves with more time I think.

JKaen is very probably mod-killed unless he shows up.

Of the 7 that are left, after you exclude Serdoa, Zakalwe, Meiz, Scooter, JKaen, you have the following:

Gaspar, Ichabod, Roland, Injera, Catwalk, Twinkletoes, Sareln.

I'm the one talking, and I know I'm innocent, so I'm going to throw myself off that list mmkay?

Now it's Gaspar, Ichabod, Roland, Injera, Catwalk, Twinkletoes.

Thoughts on these remainders:

• Gaspar - Still in his reasonable mode. Either he's learned to be a better wolf or he's innocent. Inclined towards innocence here.
  
• Ichabod - most of his arguments against me seem to miss answers I've already written. I hope he sees my voting logic post and my clarification w/ scooter about my reasoning for Erebus on Day 2 and backs off. I don't think he's doing it on purpose, that would be silly and incriminate himself if he was. Keeping an eye on that.
  
• Roland - still writes books, but hasn't thrown any obvious tells near as I can tell. We'll leave him alone for now. Even if he's innocent I could see him lasting quite a while as wolves chew through other players first.
  
• Injera, making good sense for why Zakalwe is probably innocent. Notes something interesting about TT"s defensive behavior (focusing on the loudest voice probably). Linking the three of TT/Catwalk/Serdoa is probably a false lead IMO.
  
• Catwalk - inclined to think he's just a poor villager. I do think villagers (sans power roles) should be as honest and forthright as possible. Buddying up to try and hide in another person's wake as a villager doesn't make much sense to me. He could also be a really bad wolf though. If he were, that would probably clear Zakalwe.
  
• TT - Almost as quiet as I am, inclined to buy his busy excuse. His focus on Zakalwe is understandable. Villager maxim is that when you find yourself on the block you work to get yourself off of it mainly through offense. The village needs to lynch someone so it isn't just enough to make yourself invalid and hope the mob moves on.
  

Lynch vote and reasoning in another post, so hopefully they're read together, instead of only taking my vote paragraph and thinking I didn't justify it :neenernee

EDIT: Re-uploaded notes w/out PBEM Spoilers spliced into them.

[Injera]

It would incredibly ballsy play for Serdoa, TT & Catwalk to seem so in lock-step.

Yeah, I'm probably reading too much in to things. It just really stuck out at me.

[Sareln]

Of the group of JKaen, Myself, TT, Scooter that Gaspar has isolated, I know my own innocence, expect JKaen to be mod-killed, and need to decide between Scooter and TT.

I think that Scooter chopping off my Erebus vote and ignoring its justification (and then accusing me of not having a justification for it) was a bit off, but could easily come about from having read Ichabod's own faulty analysis of that post earlier.

My vote goes to Twinkletoes for this round because it creates a situation where either the double-voter will need to vote to lynch me or interesting vote movements will have to take place to lynch me and will prove good for analysis later (after I'm a proven dead innocent).

[Ichabod]

I'm still reading the thread, but I need to comment on this:

Well, that took about an hour to chew through reading quickly. Not surprised to be at the top of the charts right now, bound to happen eventually. I could whinge about work or some such to explain the inactivity, but that doesn't strike me as fair towards those who actually have real work schedules (as opposed to my "make your own hours, but there should be at least 12 of them / day" university research schedule).

I'm going to post this and then head back into the beginning of the day again. I find I do better with multiple readings.

@ Scooter, Ichabod too since I remember seeing you state a similar idea upthread, I think you're either mischaracterizing or lopping off a very important part of my post voting for Erebus.

Here's the whole thing:


At this point, I thought I had caught Erebus trying to insinuate that I was being dishonest with the tallies, so why should others trust me at all? I've really only seen this kind of reasoning in places where a person wants to accuse someone, but recognizes that they cannot do so in a socially acceptable manner. So instead they resort to the defense of "just asking questions" in an attempt to discredit their target. If you've ever argued with someone about government conspiracies, you know you're winning your argument when the person flees to "just asking questions" instead of making a straight accusation. As I said in the bolded section, that kind of behavior doesn't, in my mind, come from villagers. I think I can call it now, with hindsight, a mistake on Erebus' part since I doubt I would've stuck to my Erebus vote otherwise.

Sorry, Sareln, I just let that part of the post pass by me, even when I reread your posts. When Meiz said in a previous post that you justified your vote for Erebus, I couldn't see what he was refering too. Now it makes sense.

I'm happy that my post before helped me realize this. It certainly makes my suspicion against Sareln weaker. I was starting to feel it was almost an obvious thing. I'll still keep my vote for now, though. I'll post more comments after I finished reading.

[scooter]

@Scooter. Do you think I am a wolf?

Ask me before the Serdoa post, I would've said probably not. There were a couple oddities to me along the way, but I figured there was probably a reasonably chance you were village, though I was less sure about you than I've been about Serdoa. The Serdoa post admittedly has me thinking twice.

That said, I do think the majority of Serdoa's notes in that post aren't really fair or balanced. Most comments are comments that are more like "read everything written and twist it into wolf lingo" style accusations, which are neither fair nor enjoyable to be hit with.

The part that was most glaring to me was the Uberfish saga. You were seriously all over the map on that, and I think even you would admit as much. I went through Serdoa's post and cut out a bunch of the noise, and whittled it down to just key Uberfish-related moments. Here it is:

(bolded parts is Serdoa, not me)

Post 68: Explains very calmly and reasonable why he now believes that uberfish is a villager. Quite good arguments for it tbh. Reading it again, I am not sure why we even lynched uberfish.

Post 72: uberfish explained before that one of the reactions he expected is trying to paint him as a untrustworthy villager. Zak agrees that that is exactly what he would do as a wolf. Well, it is exactly what you did zak!

Post 87: Gets accused by Erebus that his play regarding uberfish was never considering that uberfish is a villager and explains that he did consider it and conclude that he can’t be a villager as that would be extremely bad villager play. Looking at post 48, he lies here as he clearly concluded in post 48 that even if uberfish is a villager he should be lynched.

Re-emphasizes that uberfish can’t be a wolf as there is nothing the wolves would gain with that play.

Post 92: He is questioned by Injera about his uberfish play and explains again that his play would not make sense as a wolf. He further explains that as a wolf your reaction would be to sit back and watch as a villager will inevitably come and attack uberfish. So, let’s re-phrase that: zak thinks that a wolf who wants to look like a villager should attack uberfish. What is exactly what he did.

Post 158: Tells uberfish that uberfish himself is responsible if uberfish gets lynched. Emphasizes again that he thinks uberfish is a misguided villager.

Post 217: He votes uberfish because “a villager Uberfish could possibly try this gambit, though it seems very strange”. I point to posts 68 and 87. That is completely contradicting what he stated before.

Post 292: comments uberfish “raise your game” post and explains that he could see uberfish making that play as a villager [didn’t he state in post 217 that this play seems strange for villager uberfish – but now he could see him making it?] but that he thinks uberfish other play on that day is wolfish. He also states that he didn’t expect such a landslide but that this maybe just reflects that there were not many good lynch candidates to pick from.

This does seem wildly inconsistent to me... Could be a villager who can't make up his mind, or could be a werewolf who is loudly going with the flow and contradicting himself. Honestly, this part alone did uptick my suspicion meter, however, it's not enough for it to be vote-worthy for me today. There's just too much doubt in my head on this. I'm also probably going to move off of my Sareln vote onto someone else, but I'll wait to explain that for when I have some more time, as I don't have the time at the moment. Hopefully before I go to bed tonight.

[Ichabod]

Sareln, the file you posted opens in the text program that comes with windows (the literal translation from portuguese to english is "notebook", but I'm not sure if that is the name). But it's in a very bad format, one big paragraph without many spaces. It's very hard to read. Is there something I could do to make reading it easier?

[Sareln]

Sareln, the file you posted opens in the text program that comes with windows (the literal translation from portuguese to english is "notebook", but I'm not sure if that is the name). But it's in a very bad format, one big paragraph without many spaces. It's very hard to read. Is there something I could do to make reading it easier?

Not sure. I put it together in Gedit on a linux box. My best advice would be to go look for notepad++ and see how it opens it.

[Injera]

Sareln, the file you posted opens in the text program that comes with windows (the literal translation from portuguese to english is "notebook", but I'm not sure if that is the name). But it's in a very bad format, one big paragraph without many spaces. It's very hard to read. Is there something I could do to make reading it easier?

If you open it with Wordpad it works fine (no clue what the name of that is in Portuguese, though.)

And wow, this file is really helpful for reviewing things Sareln. I think I'm going to start making one like this for my own use.