Meiz Wrote:Third has to be Roland. Senses uber and Erebus as villagers with mad emotion reading skills and turnaround against Zak was unreal.
Actually, Mardoc is the 4th 'Wolf. He and I swapped roles at the start of the game. :neenernee
Right Meiz. I've spent this whole game trying to avoid mislynches only to throw it all away at the end. Ever occur to you that maybe I just plain screwed up? My track record in these games is hardly stellar, so is it any surprise really? For that matter, why is my turnaround so much more suspicious than Catwalk's? We've all chalked it up to a poor Villager play, but who's to say it's not just poor 'Wolf play? This is only his second time playing, and I think he's proven his inexperience. His behavior this entire game has been odd, but I keep coming up with excuses to just let it pass.
I could blame this all on Serdoa, but honestly that's not fair. It's not his fault at all. I made my decision independent of Serdoa's urgings, and in the end pushed just as hard as he did. He just got me to take a different look on things, and I let myself get caught up in my own zeal. I trust Serdoa - I wouldn't have voted him Mayor if I didn't - so I know he certainly didn't start a witch hunt on zakalwe for no reason. I took a closer look at zakalwe, and starting really taking notice of the oddities about zakalwe's play. We've spent half the game defending or accusing people based on their play being different this time around than last time - with no Seer, we don't have much else to go on. You don't think zakalwe's play has been slightly different this game? It's subtle, so it's easy to miss - or simply overlook, like I did - but it was there. Serdoa was the first to see it. I was the last. We both were wrong about him, along with a handful of others who were happy to ride along.
I still think you're barking up the wrong tree with Twinkletoes. Scooter I can agree with, although your tenacity makes me cautious - all the more so after this latest debacle. I'm even with you on Sareln, but that still leaves two innocents in your list. I honestly think Catwalk deserves a closer look. If my turnaround on zakalwe is the biggest piece of evidence you have against me (behavior for me which is well-documented in past games), then Catwalk deserves the same scrutiny. As for who I think the fourth 'Wolf is... I honestly don't know. I can't believe any of Injera, Ichabod, nor Serdoa are 'Wolves, and I wouldn't be comfortable going after Gaspar nor you Meiz, so that doesn't really leave anyone that I can see. Clearly I'm missing something, but after yesterday I'm not about to put forth anyone as a candidate. Bad things happen when I do that - Every. Single. Game.
Think what you like Meiz. You're far more convincing to the Village than I am, or probably ever will be. If you're that confident I'm a 'Wolf, I'll make you a deal - the same deal I gave Lewwyn: I'll vote for myself. If I am a 'Wolf it nets you another day, and if I'm not it wouldn't have mattered anyway. There's no way the 'Wolves are going to let Serdoa live, and after my change-up yesterday there's no way they're going to kill me off - not when they can hang me as a deep cover 'Wolf. You wait - tomorrow we'll see who votes for me, and there you'll find your 'Wolves.
Not possible to get scooter lynched, but looks so damn good if/when we find scooter guilty. Especially Roland's last minute vote without any chance to change the outcome is so out of character.
More evidence of my trust in Serdoa. I didn't get a chance to read Twinkletoes' change - it must have happened while I was busy in a game (World of Tanks). When I saw Serdoa's switch, I thought it might be a chance to save Erebus, so I bit. I didn't even think I made the cut I posted so late (when I got out of the game it was 5:59 on my clock). I had no idea what the lynch tally was at the time. You're right though: if you put on your 'Wolf glasses you can make anything look suspicious. I already explained my change once before, but in case you missed it here it is again. Of course, if you didn't miss it that implies you're calling me a liar - and I take issue with that.
Roland Wrote:I already explained my change once before, but in case you missed it here it is again. Of course, if you didn't miss it that implies you're calling me a liar - and I take issue with that.
Well, calling the ones we feel are wolves liars is part of the game I would say. After all if that would not be the case the game would be pretty easy:
Meiz, are you a wolf? And don't you dare lie now :neenernee
You can be very convincing Roland. But I have to wonder what TT has really done to convince you. We have 4 wolves left, so how can you count him out just because you got that magical feeling of his innocence?
Serdoa Wrote:Well, calling the ones we feel are wolves liars is part of the game I would say. After all if that would not be the case the game would be pretty easy:
Meiz, are you a wolf? And don't you dare lie now :neenernee
No offense Roland, just wanted to point that out
Yeah well... alright, maybe I got a little overly defensive. I don't take offense from you Serdoa (and hopefully you haven't taken any offense from me), so I guess I shouldn't from Meiz, either. As you say, even if he is calling me a liar that's just part of the game. I'm just a little sensitive, I guess. Although, I believe I read earlier that Meiz was going to cry if... something happened, so I guess I'm not as sensitive as him - or at least, not in that way. :neenernee
I do have to occasionally remind myself not to take things personally in this game, so apologies for getting testy Meiz.
I only deserve "closer scrutiny"? *waits for Roland to jump at him, fangs bared*
I find it highly suspicious that you don't want to put anyone forth as a candidate. We have a wealth of information by now and not very many villagers left, take a random shot and you'll have really good accuracy.
Meiz Wrote:You can be very convincing Roland. But I have to wonder what TT has really done to convince you. We have 4 wolves left, so how can you count him out just because you got that magical feeling of his innocence?
/from phone
Well, not a whole lot as he's only posted, what, 33 times? It's not like we've had a ton of information to work with in determining his alignment. There are a couple posts that stood out to me, though, that both made me feel he was innocent, and later reaffirmed that. this post and this post both stuck out in my mind, and are what really swung me towards his innocence. Really though, go look at just about any of his most recent posts - they just don't feel 'Wolfish to me.
Sorry for the late reply - was on lunch break and got busy with other things in between.
Roland Wrote:If you're that confident I'm a 'Wolf, I'll make you a deal - the same deal I gave Lewwyn: I'll vote for myself. If I am a 'Wolf it nets you another day, and if I'm not it wouldn't have mattered anyway. There's no way the 'Wolves are going to let Serdoa live, and after my change-up yesterday there's no way they're going to kill me off - not when they can hang me as a deep cover 'Wolf. You wait - tomorrow we'll see who votes for me, and there you'll find your 'Wolves.
After this, I think at least a little bit of the crazy talk should be moved off of me
Showing my work, assumptions written in these color-codings: I'm innocent, Serdoa is innocent (else game over dude). Patterns are as previously mentioned, TT has always voted with Serdoa and Catwalk has always been in the majority.
Postulate: At no time have all 4 wolves voted together.
This means that the following packs are unlikely:
(Scooter, Meiz, Catwalk, Twinkletoes)
(Scooter, Ichabod, Catwalk, Gaspar)
(Injera, Catwalk, Twinkletoes, Roland)
Looking at the two vote patterns mentioned earlier, I think that Catwalk is more likely to be innocent than Twinkletoes. I can easily see a time when a villager is getting stuck-in every day on discussion and ends up agreeing with group consensus. What is more suspicious to me is that TT, while mostly inactive, has managed to vote with Serdoa every time, even when it hasn't mattered at the time of (last minute) voting (Day 2). That just seems to point to a wolf trying to hide in a reasonably influential mayor's wake.
