WW8: Madness in Outer Space (game thread - players only)

[Bobchillingworth]

Also, because he's too quick to proclaim Rowain as innocent: Catwalk.



Very late for me here- I'm going to bed

[Lewwyn]

Yeah... silly catwalk. Totally agree with Bob.

[Serdoa]

Anyway, I see no better target at the moment than Serdoa. His play yesterday was very scummish and his explanation unsatisfying.

What exactly is unsatisfying? That I didn't came up with some fantasy-story but was honest in telling why I did what I did? Well, sorry for that novice, but I won't lie just to satisfy you...

That said, I know that probably everyone thinks that you and Rowain are innocent, but with zaks style, is it so far off to believe that MAYBE

a) novice was hurt when doing a scummish night-action (blocking some villager doing something for example) and that

b) Rowain is also scum who can heal? I mean obviously that heal-ability is extremely strong, not for the heal but for the reveal of something which seems like a villager-ability. But I am not sure if it really is one.

Tbh, probably they are villagers or at least one of them. But at least I won't take it as a given right now.

Lastly, sorry for not posting my thoughts on the comments as promised, didn't find the time and mood for it yesterday.

[Serdoa]

On an unrelated note, since we don't have time limits for the day phases, I suggest that anyone contemplating placing the kill vote on someone first announce their intentions here and then wait for at least a couple hours, to give the accused a chance to use their power and/or make a final case for their innocence. Or if the element of surprise is really important for casting the lynch vote, at least don't cast it within a few hours of the prior vote against the suspect unless you have a damn good reason to get someone killed & fast.

And why would you do that Bob? So that scum can place their votes most conveniently for them, maybe on a fellow scum even, but have enough time to remove them before he gets into real danger? As long as scum has to fear a surprise-kill vote, they cannot place their votes on fellow scum easily.

[Rowain]

I agree with Bob and Serdoa that my healing novice doesn't make me innocent. And yes it doesn't say anything about novice at all.

Why did I use it on a maybe SCUM? Because novice is someone I would rather have alive and not lose early through a double wound at least not when I can prevent it.

Given all that I keep my vote where it is now.

[zakalwe]

Official Tally - Day 2 - 9 alive - 5 to lynch

3: Catwalk: (Rowain, Bobchillingworth, Lewwyn)
1: Serdoa: (Novice)

Not voting (5): Serdoa, Catwalk, Uberfish, Sareln, Erebus

[novice]

What exactly is unsatisfying? That I didn't came up with some fantasy-story but was honest in telling why I did what I did? Well, sorry for that novice, but I won't lie just to satisfy you...

If I understood you correctly you basically killed Winston on a whim/impulse. I'm not saying it can't be true, it just seems like very careless villager play, and also a convenient SCUM excuse.

As long as scum has to fear a surprise-kill vote, they cannot place their votes on fellow scum easily.

This, OTOH, sounds like a better justification. Although I have no issue with SCUM voting for other SCUM, so I still think you play was .

That said, I know that probably everyone thinks that you and Rowain are innocent, but with zaks style, is it so far off to believe that MAYBE

b) Rowain is also scum who can heal? I mean obviously that heal-ability is extremely strong, not for the heal but for the reveal of something which seems like a villager-ability. But I am not sure if it really is one.

I don't think Zak would give a heal ability to a SCUM player, I think he would realize that it was unfairly blindsiding the village. That's just how I would think when balancing the game, though.

Actually on second thought, scratch that. Since we have abilities like Winston's that can wound SCUM, why shouldn't the SCUM potentially have the ability to heal their wounded. Now would a SCUM heal me to gain credibility? Sure, why not. So on reflection I agree with Rowain that he's not a confirmed innocent.

[Catwalk]

Great writeup Zak. And thank you, Rowain!

It seems like everyone has a minor power. The tricky question of course is whether or not SCUM have minor powers too. One would think so.

I hadn't even thought of that. While I'm still inclined to see Rowain as strongly innocent at this point, we can't be completely certain. Definitely something to keep in mind for the future when we know more. I also have a small special ability (which I have a strong interest in not revealing, or it might be useless), and it is indeed likely that everyone has one.

Anyway, I see no better target at the moment than Serdoa. His play yesterday was very scummish and his explanation unsatisfying.

His play and explanations were also very Serdoa, though I'm a little wary of jumping to conclusions about bad villagers, we did that a lot last game. The reasoning "you're either a bad villager or a wolf" (which I've used liberally myself) has given horrible results so far. Most of the time the suspect turned out to be a bad villager, so I'm not really sure there's a correlation between obvious bad village play and likeliness of guilt. I don't want to clear Serdoa and I can go ahead with lynching him if there are compelling arguments, but right now he's mostly in my neutral camp still. Same as most everyone else, though Let's dig some more and see what we come up with.

[Catwalk]

a) novice was hurt when doing a scummish night-action (blocking some villager doing something for example) and that

Not impossible, but highly unlikely IMO. Based on what abilities we've seen so far (and my own ability), I see no reason not to assume that a vigilante used a half-kill on novice. Which is why I suggest this person step forth so we can clarify it. I won't discount the possibility that it happened in other ways, but I find it highly unlikely. Doesn't clear novice of course, but I don't think it should incriminate him either.

b) Rowain is also scum who can heal? I mean obviously that heal-ability is extremely strong, not for the heal but for the reveal of something which seems like a villager-ability. But I am not sure if it really is one.

This actually makes quite a bit of sense. We're trying to go after the scum with the half kills (unless there are vigilante scum), so the scum might be able to heal each other. Establishing their innocence at the same time, or at least they would have if everybody made my mistaken leap of logic. I still think Rowain is more likely to be innocent than guilty, but I'll move him a step closer to neutral camp. I suppose it's not very likely that they're both scum, would incriminate the other if one is caught and they only have 3 scum.

As for my mistaken logic about Rowain, I think it's obvious where I was coming from. I still think it's a reasonable assumption, but of course I was wrong to state that it proves him innocent. I'm sitting in school trying to pay a bit of attention to that as well, so I didn't put all that much thought into it. Kill me for it if that gets your rocks off, but I think it's a very weak argument. And yes, I know that weak arguments are all we have early on.

[Rowain]

I suppose it's not very likely that they're both scum, would incriminate the other if one is caught and they only have 3 scum.

How would you know how many scums there are? Has that been stated somewhere? AFAIK it was only novice speculating that it might be 2 or 3 with 2 more likely.

Kill me for it if that gets your rocks off, but I think it's a very weak argument. And yes, I know that weak arguments are all we have early on.

Although they are only weak arguments they are numerous speaking against you.

BTW I remind you of my questions:

a) Whom would you have healed?
b) Whom would you like to remove?
c) How would you act if you were SCUM?