WW8: Madness in Outer Space (game thread - players only)

[Sareln]

I've posted my defense, so feel free to have a swing I think Rowain's post was making fun of Serdoa, I still think Serdoa is mildly suspicious for the fake-edit.

Thanks, that's what I was looking for.

I'd like to hear more from Lewwyn as well, but he's asleep right now.

Let's go back to my list (with reordered suspicions):

• Novice, making sense.
  
• Rowain, Heal could go to anyone, making sense. Pushes aggressively to see votes for people. Not sure that's wise given the game-rules.
  
• Uberfish, Good questions, Making sense.
  
• Bobchillingworth, first game for me with Bob. Seems quiet. I don't have a good read on him.
  
• Serdoa, Rifle shot on Day 1 right after I posted my vote to kill Winston. Seems almost too blatant to be a SCUM tell.
  
• Catwalk, more likely to be innocent, explanation of play so far makes sense to me.
  
• Lewwyn, Gray Middle Ground, Sleeping
  
• Erebus, Not sure about jumping onto "Fake Edits" as a tell, seems a weak one. Especially given how I view Serdoa and Rowain.
  

Erebus, why is the fake-edit a tell? It seems good practice to me to hit the "Preview Post" button and see what others have posted while writing. I assume "Fake Edits" are just how Rowain and Serdoa tack on more responses to their posts, rather than rewriting the whole flow to take the new information into account.

[Rowain]

Yeah, post 212 Serdoa also fake edit.

Ah that one. Of course for you reading all afterwards those 2 seem quite close to each other but for me Serdoas post was already so far in the past that I wondered what you meant.


As I'm heading to bed and believe that having some more talking is good I will park my vote on Bobchillingworth for the night. He at least should be awake and able to defend if need be .

[zakalwe]

Official Tally - Day 2 - 9 alive - 5 to lynch

3: Catwalk (Bobchillingworth, Lewwyn, Erebus)
2: Erebus (Serdoa, Uberfish)
2: Lewwyn (Novice, Catwalk)
1: Bobchillingworth (Rowain)

Not voting (1): Sareln

[Erebus]

Before I get misunderstood again (like in the last game).

The Fake Edit comment WAS A JOKE.

The request for Catwalk to reveal his role WAS SARCASM.

Maybe Serdoa is right and we need to colot code this stuff.

[Lewwyn]

Last time you said that we killed inston (with your vote on him too). does that mean we should go and kill Catwalk now?

It means don't kill anyone when I'm not awake. That didn't happen last time.

I don't have much in the way of reads on anyone. Novice has a plausible defense, unless his power is to be some sort of self-harming SCUM or he someone got hurt in a night action without alerting the person who wounded him.

Wait what...? Goes back to read.

After thinking about it, I see no reason to hide the fact that I myself am responsible for my wound. I had the ability to hide in my smuggler's ship during the night and be safe from night kills. Unfortunately the hostile environment of my cargo hold gave me a cold/wounded me.

Oh. Well fuck I was going to suggest we lynch Novice.

Let me just put forth that I think the easy targets are the ones being used as decoys. Let's talk about Erebus, Catwalk and Sareln. These 3 are all suspected because of activity or playstyle. Each one is an easy target.

Erebus missed the first day AND his writing style lend him toward being cheeky and know it all. Thus one could argue he knows more than he should ie:SCUM. Easy target.

Sareln is an easy patsy in just about every game. SO easy to lynch. The issue is he just seems to float from post to post and he can be read either way. Plus he usually does a poor job defending himself.

Catwalk. I suspect him, but then I've suspected him every game he's played because of writing style and tone. Just seems pompous. So in fact I'd say he's an easy target for that. Additionally he's easy because I've been pushing for him.

Right bob?

There's a good chance that Catwalk is just a weak village player. But I'll keep my vote on him at the moment, because it's difficult to separate ill-advised comments from the genuinely disingenuous.

If there's a good chance he's a villager then why are you voting for him? All I see is SCUM justification for knowing he's innocent.

Bobchillingworth

[novice]

The person I find most suspicious right now is Bobchillingworth. Overcasually mentioning his crappy power, and contributing little.

I don't see why people suspect Catwalk - he plays exactly like his last games, where he was innocent. (As a lurker of WW7 I never suspected him either, in WW6 I had the cheat sheet.)

[zakalwe]

Official Tally - Day 2 - 9 alive - 5 to lynch

3: Bobchillingworth (Rowain, Lewwyn, Novice)
2: Catwalk (Bobchillingworth, Erebus)
2: Erebus (Serdoa, Uberfish)
1: Lewwyn (Catwalk)

Not voting (1): Sareln

[uberfish]

he plays exactly like his last games, where he was innocent.

Just like Roland in WW7... oh wait.

[Serdoa]

I still think I'm a pretty good villager this game And I do admit I was less than stellar past two games. I made a few factual mistakes due to not reading everything as thoroughly as I should have, I don't think that's particularly damning. Why would I be more likely to make mistakes that are easily pointed out as scum?

When writing this question, you yourself should already have given you the answer. Because you have a cheat-sheet and no matter how carefully you plan something, you simply slip sometimes and state something you can't know without a cheat-sheet. Not thinking through the implications of certain actions but simply stating someone is innocent after their occurence is for example something which imo happens more often to players who know already the answers than to those who are still searching for them.

If anything, lies would probably be planned out a little more carefully as scum.

Lies can be planned of course - but I don't think we ever had a wolf-team doing that. Staying as close to the truth as possible works better imo. But apart from that, there is a difference between a planned lie and a mistake. I think you know that pretty well, so I don't feel your defense makes much sense. It more seems like "write a long post, then people believe you are innocent - worked in WW7 as well".

I wanted the (suspected) vigilante to claim, yes. It gives us a confirmed innocent (or so I thought at the time), which both lets us aim more accurately and gives us one person whose judgement we can trust a little bit more. In game 7 I wanted the seer to claim because I was the baner and I found it highly useful for both seers to claim. Most likely the wolves would have shied away from targetting either of them (due to the risk of losing a kill to the baner), and only one would have been role blocked. I also wanted vigilantes who had already used their shot to claim in WW6 and WW7, yes. I still don't see anything suspicious about that. And I was in fact a villager making that suggestion in both games. I don't see anything suspicious about wanting novice to come out and say what caused it, turns out that he agreed with the suggestion. He wasn't under any pressure to do so, he found it to be a sensible move for the sake of the village. So hang me if you must, but stop calling me a bad villager

I don't think that you suggested something over 3 games makes it a good move. And being called on it 3 games in a row from different people might give you an idea that it IS in fact bad village play. But again, many words with not really much content.

Erebus, I do have a power (I suspect we all do) but it'd become a lot less useful if I reveal it. Since a claim won't save me anyway, I'll refrain from claiming even if I end up on the chopping block with 5 votes.

I have a power but I won't claim it, even if I get lynched otherwise because I will get lynched anyway. Um, what?

It won't do any good to use it at this point either, I'd rather take my chances on surviving the vote.

If you are a villager and get lynched it will hurt the village more than if you use your power without any gain apart from making us believe you are innocent.

If anything, it makes you a little suspicious that you want someone who hasn't used his ability to reveal it. That does the town no good.

I does the town no good to have villager lynched. Revealed abilities are imo an acceptable loss if it saves a villagers life.

I don't have any strong suspicions at this point. I'd give mild preference to Erebus, Serdoa and Sareln. I suppose Lewwyn as well. I'm still not great at sniffing out scum and would rather not make a fool of myself as has happened the past two games with my suspicions there. That'd do neither me nor the town any good. I think Rowain and novice aremost likely innocent, so if they agree on any suspicion I think that's the town's best bet. If they disagree, I'm inclined to go with novice as Rowain is suspicious of me.

In short: I don't have any thoughts about anyone, really. But if novice and Rowain vote together, I would follow, just because... And if they do not vote together, then I vote with novice.

Question: Are you intending to think for yourself or are you gonna just stick with those you think might be innocent? What exactly do they know more then you to warrant that? For yourself you at least can be sure of your role, but for players who MAYBE are innocent? Sorry for sounding harsh, but that is the sort of logic I really can't understand.

One small hunch: Serdoa posted a "fake-edit", similar to what Erebus did last game. I don't think it's far-fetched to suspect that this is a ploy to establish innocence.

Let me rephrase: I posted a "fake-edit" - something commonly used around here when you've seen something in the preview and don't want to rewrite your whole post - which does not have anything in common with Erebus fake-edit last game*, apart from using the same 2 words. That obviously was only done to have people subconsciously assess me as innocent.

No, not in the slightest far-fetched. Not in the slighest

*Erebus got suspected not for using the words fake-edit but for what he fake-edited and what he did not edit. Mine as well as Rowains fake-edit were simply to add more text to our posts, more thoughts we had after reading some posts which happened in the meantime. Thats why I don't think those "fake-edits" have anything in common.

I'll put my vote on Lewwyn for now, on grounds that he's highly suspicious of me, contributes little of value and novice suspects him as well. The vote isn't final if the day continues into tomorrow, I'll try to contribute more then.

I vote for Lewwyn for no reason apart from that he suspects me. Great play there

I do think we should discuss a bit more and switch some votes around before hanging someone, best way to gather information. Slow lynches are (arguably) a little more likely to hit the target than quick lynches, and they also give us more information to analyze later on.

Why are slow lynches more likely to hit the target (I assume you mean hit scum with that, right?)?

catwalk for not making sense at all in his last post but trying to deflect suspicion on as many people as possible while at the same time stating that he himself is not responsible for anything he does as he just follows the "innocents".

[novice]

Just like Roland in WW7... oh wait.

Fair enough, Catwalk still feels like he's trying to help the village though. (Roland didn't in WW7, not that it's relevant.)

Crossposting with Serdoa.